Anler Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: For sure.....any number is just a guess but the eventuality is certain I look at all of these pensions and think that as soon as automation gets even partially implemented they are all toast. Some are dying already. Going to be interesting for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 9, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, f7ben said: In 50 years there will be no manual labor What then?? So what are you saying the robots will design, build and maintain the robots? We were suppose to have flying cars by now too. What technology and innovation does to the labor will need to be addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 9, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: People like him will be hunted down like dogs and killed in the most gruesome way possible. What if I control the AI and robots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjameven Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Karl Marx..lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: For sure.....any number is just a guess but the eventuality is certain Absolutely. Labor is increasingly viewed as a liability and will always be an area where capitalism will create 'efficiency' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, Highmark said: You think labor would become any different in your version of communism? Dude the people with skills and work ethic would still thrive. If not allowed to then it would hurt society. Nah, it would all be equal. You would just have to overcompensate for the lazy deadbeats and be happy about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: Nah, it would all be equal. You would just have to overcompensate for the lazy deadbeats and be happy about it. Another genius who doesn't know what communism is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 9, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, motonoggin said: If part of that was truly followed it would be capitalism. Tell me what is a person to acquire other than personal wealth. Funny that I don't find that quote attributed to him anywhere. Edited December 9, 2019 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Another genius who doesn't know what communism is... I live and thrive in the real world, enjoy your Neverland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 9 hours ago, motonoggin said: The final stages of capitalism, Marx wrote, would be marked by developments that are intimately familiar to most of us. Unable to expand and generate profits at past levels, the capitalist system would begin to consume the structures that sustained it. It would prey upon, in the name of austerity, the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens. It would, as it has, increasingly relocate jobs, including both manufacturing and professional positions, to countries with cheap pools of laborers. Industries would mechanize their workplaces. This would trigger an economic assault on not only the working class but the middle class—the bulwark of a capitalist system—that would be disguised by the imposition of massive personal debt as incomes declined or remained stagnant. Politics would in the late stages of capitalism become subordinate to economics, leading to political parties hollowed out of any real political content and abjectly subservient to the dictates and money of global capitalism. But as Marx warned, there is a limit to an economy built on scaffolding of debt expansion. There comes a moment, Marx knew, when there would be no new markets available and no new pools of people who could take on more debt. This is what happened with the subprime mortgage crisis. Once the banks cannot conjure up new subprime borrowers, the scheme falls apart and the system crashes. Capitalist oligarchs, meanwhile, hoard huge sums of wealth—$18 trillion stashed in overseas tax havens—exacted as tribute from those they dominate, indebt and impoverish. Capitalism would, in the end, Marx said, turn on the so-called free market, along with the values and traditions it claims to defend. It would in its final stages pillage the systems and structures that made capitalism possible. It would resort, as it caused widespread suffering, to harsher forms of repression. It would attempt in a frantic last stand to maintain its profits by looting and pillaging state institutions, contradicting its stated nature. Marx warned that in the later stages of capitalism huge corporations would exercise a monopoly on global markets. “The need of a constantly expanding market for its products chases the bourgeoisie over the entire surface of the globe,” he wrote. “It must nestle everywhere, settle everywhere, establish connections everywhere.” These corporations, whether in the banking sector, the agricultural and food industries, the arms industries or the communications industries, would use their power, usually by seizing the mechanisms of state, to prevent anyone from challenging their monopoly. They would fix prices to maximize profit. They would, as they [have been doing], push through trade deals such as the TPP and CAFTA to further weaken the nation-state’s ability to impede exploitation by imposing environmental regulations or monitoring working conditions. And in the end these corporate monopolies would obliterate free market competition https://www.truthdig.com/articles/karl-marx-was-right-2/ We don't have true Capitalism. When the federal government picks winners and losers and props up segments of the economy that is Socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, jtssrx said: We don't have true Capitalism. When the federal government picks winners and losers and props up segments of the economy that is Socialism. We don't really have a true democracy either. But, both are as close as anything else that are proven to work successfully for the masses. Is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, jtssrx said: We don't have true Capitalism. When the federal government picks winners and losers and props up segments of the economy that is Socialism. No, socialism describes a system where the workers own the means of production. Using the apparatus of the state to preserve profits is end stage capitalism. It can also be described as fascism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: We don't really have a true democracy either. But, both are as close as anything else that are proven to work successfully for the masses. Is what it is. Well, we have a constitutional republic. The Electoral college wouldn't work in a True democracy. There is a reason why the Feds are propping up these industries. It's a Ponzi Scheme. It's has nothing to do with what dipshit Karl Maxx said. It's amazing to me that people like Moto are so far gone that they still believe this crap Maxx wrote. If Marxism was so great why hasn't it worked anywhere at any time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: No, socialism describes a system where the workers own the means of production. Using the apparatus of the state to preserve profits is end stage capitalism. It can also be described as fascism. YOU CAN"T CALL IT CAPITALISM. The American taxpayer has been propping up the Economy for over 100 years now. Please do us a favor and shut the fuck up. @SSFB I want to know why this idiot is allowed to have Kill Whitey as a tag line? Can I have Kill Blacks or Kill Jews or Kill MOTO as a tag line? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, jtssrx said: Well, we have a constitutional republic. The Electoral college wouldn't work in a True democracy. There is a reason why the Feds are propping up these industries. It's a Ponzi Scheme. It's has nothing to do with what dipshit Karl Maxx said. It's amazing to me that people like Moto are so far gone that they still believe this crap Maxx wrote. If Marxism was so great why hasn't it worked anywhere at any time? Marx was 100% correct about the nature of capitalism. He also said capitalism would need to fully mature in order for communism to be viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, jtssrx said: YOU CAN"T CALL IT CAPITALISM. The American taxpayer has been propping up the Economy for over 100 years now. Please do us a favor and shut the fuck up. @SSFB I want to know why this idiot is allowed to have Kill Whitey as a tag line? Can I have Kill Blacks or Kill Jews or Kill MOTO as a tag line? It is in fact capitalism, in its end stages. Stop being so reactionary. Whitey lives in your head, dummy. Edited December 9, 2019 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: Marx was 100% correct about the nature of capitalism. He also said capitalism would need to fully mature in order for communism to be viable. He could have made more money preaching MMGW. He was just born too soon. Just now, motonoggin said: Stop being so reactionary. Whitey lives in your head, dummy. Fail. Racist apology fail at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Marx was 100% correct about the nature of capitalism. He also said capitalism would need to fully mature in order for communism to be viable. Marx said Marx Said. This is the problem with what you keep saying is you have no factual proof to back up your claims Just now, motonoggin said: Stop being so reactionary. Whitey lives in your head, dummy. That's rich, all of you're posts are identity-driven. All these Identities live in your head 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, jtssrx said: Marx said Marx Said. This is the problem with what you keep saying is you have no factual proof to back up your claims That's rich, all of you're posts are identity-driven. All these Identities live in your head I quoted him upthread where he says exactly that. "No social order ever disappears before all the productive forces for which there is room in it have been developed; and new higher relations of production never appear before the material conditions of their existence have matured in the womb of the old society itself. Therefore, mankind always sets itself only such tasks as it can solve; since looking at the matter more closely, we always find that the task itself arises only when the material conditions necessary for its solution already exist, or are at least in the process of formation." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted December 9, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, jtssrx said: YOU CAN"T CALL IT CAPITALISM. The American taxpayer has been propping up the Economy for over 100 years now. Please do us a favor and shut the fuck up. @SSFB I want to know why this idiot is allowed to have Kill Whitey as a tag line? Can I have Kill Blacks or Kill Jews or Kill MOTO as a tag line? Quit fucking crying ya pudbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Quit fucking crying ya pudbeat. He's such a fucking baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Quit fucking crying ya pudbeat. you're telling someone to stop crying LMAO!!! I see you jumped right in the dangle off Moto's balls. Ben is going to be sad you dropped his balls to dangle off Moto's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, motonoggin said: He's such a fucking baby Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the moderators on this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, jtssrx said: Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the moderators on this site. Well, to be fair, I haven’t seen anybody with the tag “kill darkies” in their sig line asked for it to be removed. Maybe try it? It’s the same as Moto’s. Well, only if you say, “Darky is in your head”. ”Woke”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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