frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: Capitalism also has to engage in massive multi year, multi billion dollar wars, murdering and displacing millions, for resources and protection of trade. safest time in the history of mankind right now and has been for decades. Another swing and miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, frenchy said: because it won't bring the types of jobs you want back here as you are seeing. America's biggest issue is it's poorly educated workforce. Nope....jobs first then technical education. Germany thrives on manufacturing because they wont let other countries access their markets. We could do the same Edited December 9, 2019 by f7ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: safest time in the history of mankind right now and has been for decades. Another swing and miss. So you think capitalism created technology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, frenchy said: you think any Kraut is buying a Buick? Maybe Harley's, at least the gay males, but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Nope....jobs first then technical education. Germany thrives on manufacturing because they wont let other countries access their markets. We could do the same that makes no sense. Plenty of manufacturing in Europe and Germany to some extent has been outsourced to the former Eastern bloc countries, Germany maintains their manufacturing through quality and highly skilled workforce for products that can not be outsourced because of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Nope....jobs first then technical education. Germany thrives on manufacturing because they wont let other countries access their markets. We could do the same Not really. You already pay a premium for equipment that comes from Germany when compared to US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, frenchy said: safest time in the history of mankind right now and has been for decades. Another swing and miss. For westerners, maybe, not for the third world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: that makes no sense. Plenty of manufacturing in Europe and Germany to some extent has been outsourced to the former Eastern bloc countries, Germany maintains their manufacturing through quality and highly skilled workforce for products that can not be outsourced because of this. Complete bullshit....if we tariffed their autos at the same rate they tariff ours they would immediately be plunged into recession Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Complete bullshit....if we tariffed their autos at the same rate they tariff ours they would immediately be plunged into recession dude, you literally have no idea what you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: Not really. You already pay a premium for equipment that comes from Germany when compared to US. They can keep their Siemens and Schenk garbage. If I had never worked with a piece if German process control equipment I would be a happier person today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 "No social order ever disappears before all the productive forces for which there is room in it have been developed; and new higher relations of production never appear before the material conditions of their existence have matured in the womb of the old society itself. Therefore, mankind always sets itself only such tasks as it can solve; since looking at the matter more closely, we always find that the task itself arises only when the material conditions necessary for its solution already exist, or are at least in the process of formation." Socialism, in other words, would not be possible until capitalism had exhausted its potential for further development. That the end is coming is hard now to dispute, although one would be foolish to predict when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: dude, you literally have no idea what you are talking about. Except it's you who's clueless http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-11/08/c_138537324.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 Why do I get the feeling that francy partied through college and never paid much attention in class? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) The final stages of what we call capitalism, as Marx grasped, is not capitalism at all. Corporations gobble down government expenditures, in essence taxpayer money, like pigs at a trough. The arms industry with its official $612 billion defense authorization bill—which ignores numerous other military expenditures tucked away in other budgets, raising our real expenditure on national security expenses to over $1 trillion a year—has gotten the government this year to commit to spending $348 billion over the next decade to modernize our nuclear weapons and build 12 new Ohio-class nuclear submarines, estimated at $8 billion each. Exactly how these two massive arms programs are supposed to address what we are told is the greatest threat of our time—the war on terror—is a mystery. After all, as far as I know, ISIS does not own a rowboat. We spend some $100 billion a year on intelligence—read surveillance—and 70 percent of that money goes to private contractors such as Booz Allen Hamilton, [which] gets 99 percent of its revenues from the U.S. government. And on top of this we are the largest exporters of arms in the world. Edited December 9, 2019 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Why do I get the feeling that francy partied through college and never paid much attention in class? Better to hang with the nerd bookworms and follow your steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Why do I get the feeling that francy partied through college and never paid much attention in class? Hes arguing that Germany represents a capitalistic utopia when they have a minimum wage double the US , National Healthcare....are the center piece of the EU and only create the GDP they do through the most restrictive protectionist policies in the world Edited December 9, 2019 by f7ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) Dp Edited December 9, 2019 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Why do I get the feeling that francy partied through college and never paid much attention in class? I pretty much had a perfect attendance record. Small classes of like 12-15 in 3rd and 4th year so a lot of it was discussion vs lecturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: I pretty much had a perfect attendance record. Small classes of like 12-15 in 3rd and 4th year so a lot of it was discussion vs lecturing. You probably seemed like Einstein in a room full of momos and kevs and trails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Hes arguing that Germany represents a capitalistic utopia when they have a minimum wage double the US , National Healthcare....are the center piece of the EU and only create the GDP they do through the most restrictive protectionist policies in the world a) it is a capitalist country that pretty much destroys the point noggin was trying to make with his late stage doomsday prophesy b) Most if not all capitalist countries have higher minimum wages than the US, and national healthcare c) 100% bullshit on the 'most restrictive policies' in the world. good to see you are using trump's tweets as your basis for education on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: a) it is a capitalist country that pretty much destroys the point noggin was trying to make with his late stage doomsday prophesy b) Most if not all capitalist countries have higher minimum wages than the US, and national healthcare c) 100% bullshit on the 'most restrictive policies' in the world. good to see you are using trump's tweets as your basis for education on that No it doesn't. The us has just taken capitalism to it's logical conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) Bhen I like you I really do. But you strutted around like a rooster claiming Trump's tariffs were going to be highly successful and told me to kill myself when I laughed at you over a year ago and said that we would be right where we are with them now. I was 100% right and you were 100% wrong. And a lot of it was because you have a very poor grasp of simple basic economic theories. Edited December 9, 2019 by frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: No it doesn't. The us has just taken capitalism to it's logical conclusion. oh, so they are doing it the way it was supposed to be done and everyone else is doing it wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, frenchy said: a) it is a capitalist country that pretty much destroys the point noggin was trying to make with his late stage doomsday prophesy b) Most if not all capitalist countries have higher minimum wages than the US, and national healthcare c) 100% bullshit on the 'most restrictive policies' in the world. good to see you are using trump's tweets as your basis for education on that I see you quickly and quietly retreated from the article I posted Heres a 100% irrefutable fact If the US immediately employed reciprocal tariffs with Germany on all goods the german economy would collapse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: Bhen I like you I really do. But you strutted around like a rooster claiming Trump's tariffs were going to be highly successful and told me to kill myself when I laughed at you over a year ago and said that we would be right where we are with them now. I was 100% right and you were 100% wrong. And a lot of it was because you have a very poor grasp of simply basic economic theories. I have apologized.....and to be fair Trump has punted on tariffs 5 times now so we have no idea if they would have garnered additional positive impacts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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