frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: It's a function of late stage capitalism where the only consumption that occurs is driven by debt You are wrong. Americans didn’t invent capitalism they just bastardized it. Several examples of capitalism thriving without debt driven demand. Germany for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, f7ben said: You're dumb as fuck dude Debt to gdp at 105% and growing at over double the pace gdp is growing is what you stupid fucks refer to as socialism. It's a direct function of what Marc referred to as the end result of capitalism. You're so fucking dumb it's like trying to argue algebra with a 4 year old Derp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, frenchy said: You are wrong. Americans didn’t invent capitalism they just bastardized it. Several examples of capitalism thriving without debt driven demand. Germany for one. oh yah.....germany is thriving what's the yeild on their 10 year bond again??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: oh yah.....germany is thriving what's the yeild on their 10 year bond again??? Where does Marx discuss bond yields again? you are blabbering about debt driven demand which is non existent in Germany. You lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 He was right about 1 thing. He knew he could get at least one person to believe his ramblings however generic they may be. Anyone can do it as Zam just showed you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, frenchy said: That’s not a function of capitalism Lol yes it is. 17 minutes ago, f7ben said: It's a function of late stage capitalism where the only consumption that occurs is driven by debt Bingo 9 minutes ago, frenchy said: You are wrong. Americans didn’t invent capitalism they just bastardized it. Several examples of capitalism thriving without debt driven demand. Germany for one. This isn't 'bastardized' capitalism, it's just plain old capitalism. The Germans have a much better approach to preserving it through higher worker wages that support demand, but that's the only difference. 1 minute ago, frenchy said: Where does Marx discuss bond yields again? you are blabbering about debt driven demand which is non existent in Germany. You lose. 'real capitalism has never been tried' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, frenchy said: Where does Marx discuss bond yields again? you are blabbering about debt driven demand which is non existent in Germany. You lose. Almost nothing about Germany is capitalist. They do not compete in a free market. They allow no outside access to their markets and only exist because of their exports. Edited December 9, 2019 by f7ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Almost nothing about Germany is capitalist. They do not compete in a free market. They allow bo outside access to their markets and only exist because of their exports. you're an idiot if you really think that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Lol yes it is. Bingo This isn't 'bastardized' capitalism, it's just plain old capitalism. The Germans have a much better approach to preserving it through higher worker wages that support demand, but that's the only difference. 'real capitalism has never been tried' that's a huge difference. Along with an educated workforce the issues you cite as the end of times for capitalism simply do not exist there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: you're an idiot if you really think that In a global society Germany is simply not a free market capitalist society. Their for of economics is protectionist nationalism. They drive demand by restricting access to their markets. When Trump suggests this you throw a fit. Now you're commending Germany for the same??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: that's a huge difference. Along with an educated workforce the issues you cite as the end of times for capitalism simply do not exist there. What's it take to by an American made car in Germany? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 To surmise, in the historic game of economic systems Capitalism is the Harlem Globetrotters and every other system is the Washington Generals. Undisputable. No system has helped more people globally than capitalism and its not even close. Do you have a Generals Pennant Bhen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: What's it take to by an American made car in Germany? you think any Kraut is buying a Buick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: that's a huge difference. Along with an educated workforce the issues you cite as the end of times for capitalism simply do not exist there. Germany won't save capitalism from itself tho. It's a good example of how to preserve and prolong a capitalist economy but it won't be followed by the likes of the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: Germany won't save capitalism from itself tho. It's a good example of how to preserve and prolong a capitalist economy but it won't be followed by the likes of the US. again to my point. Americans have bastardized it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: To surmise, in the historic game of economic systems Capitalism is the Harlem Globetrotters and every other system is the Washington Generals. Undisputable. No system has helped more people globally than capitalism and its not even close. Do you have a Generals Pennant Bhen? That was also true of feudalism. Not really a high bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: you think any Kraut is buying a Buick? Then why the need to massively tariff US imports??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: again to my point. Americans have bastardized it. Lol, no they haven't. If anything, Germany has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: What's it take to by an American made car in Germany? Protectionism can exist within a capitalist construct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: That was also true of feudalism. Not really a high bar. Capitalism blew it out of the water with a 250 to 0 run though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: again to my point. Americans have bastardized it. Bullshit....Americans have extended it and we are the engine of what capitalism is. The FED reserve impacts all of globalism and capitalism. Our debt fuels the world and sets the stage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: Protectionism can exist within a capitalist construct. So why do you excoriate Trump for seeking the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Bullshit....Americans have extended it and we are the engine of what capitalism is. The FED reserve impacts all of globalism and capitalism. Our debt fuels the world and sets the stage the fact that your dollar is the global standard is the only saving grace. You'd have been Greece 20 years ago if it wasn't for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: Capitalism blew it out of the water with a 250 to 0 run though. Capitalism also has to engage in massive multi year, multi billion dollar wars, murdering and displacing millions, for resources and protection of trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, f7ben said: So why do you excoriate Trump for seeking the same? because it won't bring the types of jobs you want back here as you are seeing. America's biggest issue is it's poorly educated workforce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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