spin_dry Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 https://electrek.co/2019/09/19/daimler-stops-developing-internal-combustion-engines-to-focus-on-electric-cars/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Pretty interesting stuff. I think Daimler is making the right move. The advances in efficiency for the ICE are minuscule. Advancing an EV will improve battery technology and expand the recharge infrastructure up to acceptable levels. Imagine the day when we can fast charge out EV in about the same time as it takes to currently refuel. That time may be a ways off but I bet its within my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Articles like this make me happy to own the finest ICE ever put in a consumer car. What an absolute gem the s85 is 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Articles like this make me happy to own the finest ICE ever put in a consumer car. What an absolute gem the s85 is Hahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 43 minutes ago, f7ben said: Articles like this make me happy to own the finest ICE ever put in a consumer car. What an absolute gem the s85 is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 51 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Pretty interesting stuff. I think Daimler is making the right move. The advances in efficiency for the ICE are minuscule. Advancing an EV will improve battery technology and expand the recharge infrastructure up to acceptable levels. Imagine the day when we can fast charge out EV in about the same time as it takes to currently refuel. That time may be a ways off but I bet its within my lifetime. That’s a good way to put it. The volumetric efficiency of the ICE is tapering while energy density of batteries is improving. The amazing simplicity of EV’s is impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 19, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, f7ben said: Articles like this make me happy to own the finest ICE ever put in a consumer car. What an absolute gem the s85 is Isn’t that like claiming the procross chassis is the best chassis on the snow? Edited September 19, 2019 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Isn’t that like claiming the procross chassis is the best chassis on the snow? Well....if the procross chassis was an axys then yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, AKIQPilot said: Pretty interesting stuff. I think Daimler is making the right move. The advances in efficiency for the ICE are minuscule. Advancing an EV will improve battery technology and expand the recharge infrastructure up to acceptable levels. Imagine the day when we can fast charge out EV in about the same time as it takes to currently refuel. That time may be a ways off but I bet its within my lifetime. It’s idiotic!! This is a leftists wet dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, jtssrx said: It’s idiotic!! This is a leftists wet dream or progress whichever way you want to think. Making cars better and more efficient is in the companies best interest. Staying with 100 year old tech ust because it fits your ideology is not necessarily good business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, spin_dry said: That’s a good way to put it. The volumetric efficiency of the ICE is tapering while energy density of batteries is improving. The amazing simplicity of EV’s is impressive. If they can get the battery tech 10x better I’ll be in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 hours ago, AKIQPilot said: Pretty interesting stuff. I think Daimler is making the right move. The advances in efficiency for the ICE are minuscule. Advancing an EV will improve battery technology and expand the recharge infrastructure up to acceptable levels. Imagine the day when we can fast charge out EV in about the same time as it takes to currently refuel. That time may be a ways off but I bet its within my lifetime. Electric motors and batteries have been around forever, longer than the ICE. ICE's days are numbered, just not sure EV is the right replacement, just hope our governments don't double down into only one successor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rapid Anus said: If they can get the battery tech 10x better I’ll be in Cause right now its a showstopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: Cause right now its a showstopper. On the grand scale it’s the biggest hurdle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Electric motors and batteries have been around forever, longer than the ICE. ICE's days are numbered, just not sure EV is the right replacement, just hope our governments don't double down into only one successor. ICE’d days are numbered because of government, not because of viability. There’s nothing nearly as good yet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheezusXR8 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 hours ago, AKIQPilot said: Pretty interesting stuff. I think Daimler is making the right move. The advances in efficiency for the ICE are minuscule. Advancing an EV will improve battery technology and expand the recharge infrastructure up to acceptable levels. Imagine the day when we can fast charge out EV in about the same time as it takes to currently refuel. That time may be a ways off but I bet its within my lifetime. Would be nice if they could get the batteries to where you just swap them out for a full charge like a cordless tool. I don’t know the limitations of fast charging, but being able to change the batteries quickly would make it not too much of an issue. I picture pulling into a “gas station” and they give you a charged battery and take your empty one/s, but then who owns the batteries? Do they have to be returned? Size vs power at this point probably not possible for a quick change out. Probably would have to have a membership to a battery vendor (fuel station) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, CheezusXR8 said: Would be nice if they could get the batteries to where you just swap them out for a full charge like a cordless tool. I don’t know the limitations of fast charging, but being able to change the batteries quickly would make it not too much of an issue. I picture pulling into a “gas station” and they give you a charged battery and take your empty one/s, but then who owns the batteries? Do they have to be returned? Size vs power at this point probably not possible for a quick change out. Probably would have to have a membership to a battery vendor (fuel station) I don't think these batteries are swappable like you just described. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManOnManOral Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 All they are saying is they think they cannot obtain any great efficiencies fron an ICE and will not task engineers to try. This does not mean the ICE is dead or even close to dying as the article states. As a matter of fact, it really means fuck all. MB will still make and sell gas powered vehicles at a rate that far exceeds battery powered vehicles. Perhaps they feel they can bring a vehicle to market with 400km plus range for under 30k. But economies of scale will make that difficult without first suffering massive financial losses before people get on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, CheezusXR8 said: Would be nice if they could get the batteries to where you just swap them out for a full charge like a cordless tool. I don’t know the limitations of fast charging, but being able to change the batteries quickly would make it not too much of an issue. I picture pulling into a “gas station” and they give you a charged battery and take your empty one/s, but then who owns the batteries? Do they have to be returned? Size vs power at this point probably not possible for a quick change out. Probably would have to have a membership to a battery vendor (fuel station) Battery packs are few hundred pounds so swapping one is not really an option. Solid state battery tech is promising for quick charge times. Tesla’s aren’t too bad. 30 minutes to get to 80% at a super charger station. Getting to 100% takes quite longer, but it’s not recommended to 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 hours ago, f7ben said: Articles like this make me happy to own the finest ICE ever put in a consumer car. What an absolute gem the s85 is This is how the Polish get a rep for being........ let's be kind.....less than intellectual equals. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 46 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Battery packs are few hundred pounds so swapping one is not really an option. Solid state battery tech is promising for quick charge times. Tesla’s aren’t too bad. 30 minutes to get to 80% at a super charger station. Getting to 100% takes quite longer, but it’s not recommended to 100%. The Maxwell tech that Tesla has bought into could be the biggest leap forward for electric cars in the last decade. Being able to make batteries dry would cut costs by more than a third and increase range and shorten charge times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doorider Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Rapid Anus said: If they can get the battery tech 10x better I’ll be in You keep saying that, but what vehicle gets 3000+ miles on a tank? I'd say I'd they improve 2x ICE are done for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doorider said: You keep saying that, but what vehicle gets 3000+ miles on a tank? I'd say I'd they improve 2x ICE are done for. They are already getting 400-600 mile range. That's pretty respectable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 19, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) Lamborghini latest and greatest supercar is to be a plug in. It’s is suppose to be the fastest and quickest car they have made. Edited September 19, 2019 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, Doorider said: You keep saying that, but what vehicle gets 3000+ miles on a tank? I'd say I'd they improve 2x ICE are done for. Commuting in a little faggot car means nothing. Make it viable in a truck or tractor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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