ArcticCrusher Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: What an enlightening post! The issue isn't whether you or I think Trump or Bill Clinton are horn dogs, we know they are; the issue is the college educated women that Trump needs to vote for him, and then there is the evangelicals who are very turned off and have much hate for that type of behavior as they showed us when Bubba's indiscretions came to light, will Jesus forgive them if they punch Trumps chad? College chics already vote Dems. It's part of the brainwashing. Will take years and good success to wash that away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 8, 2016 Gold Member Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: What an enlightening post! The issue isn't whether you or I think Trump or Bill Clinton are horn dogs, we know they are; the issue is the college educated women that Trump needs to vote for him, and then there is the evangelicals who are very turned off and have much hate for that type of behavior as they showed us when Bubba's indiscretions came to light, will Jesus forgive them if they punch Trumps chad? The thing is we can say, gang pile on cause we have "morals" or whatever but people arent upset by this. Ask your wife, adult age kids if they ever have lewd conversations... i asked my wife and she said "lewd" conversations happen amongst women frequently. Not a big deal in her book if its just conversation amongst guys cause females have those conversation as well... people are upset cause politics tell them they should be upset. Edited October 8, 2016 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Mileage Psycho said: You hope I shower a lot.........You have a daughter and from your posting it's clear that she is the absolute joy in your life and that you want nothing but the best for her, how do you explain to her your support for Donald Trump? Would you ever want her to date a man like Donald Trump? Hmmm..... "absolute joy in my life? Well, that was kind of you to say but that may be a stretch. She's a spoiled rotten teenager and I get all the hassles that come with that. HOWEVER, We've raised her in a very liberal free thinking home. Our talks on any politics, religion and race are more of a deep Q & A session. We want her to take the information she attains through her life experience and develop her own ideas and conclusions. Parents who "indoctrinate" their children to think like them disgust me when it comes to those three things. In fact, I'm just vaguely aware of how/what she thinks about them. And she is probably only marginally aware of my thoughts. IMO, she is too young and way too short on life experiences to make any real rational judgement on what is going on...and we don't decide them for her. She is intelligent and in time, will start to make decisions for herself on how she feels about the "three". Yes, this is harder for a child. We all know it is easier to be told what to think.....check out CNN/MSNBC for that. If anything, I teach her where and how to decipher news and facts and how to research what seems to draw her attention. 2 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: We have all done things we would not want our kids to know about, it called being humans. I doubt there are many women out there that find this shocking. Here it is. 1 hour ago, Mileage Psycho said: Here are some facts: When Obama came into office we were losing 800,000 jobs a month and now we have had 15.3 million private sector jobs created over the last 79 months, the Dow was 6,400 and it's now over 18,000, government spend was at 24% of the GDP and now it's at 20% of the GDP because of spending caps that were Obama's idea.........Delivering more of what I just typed is not a bad thing, and with that I'll choose the candidate who actually has policy and understands policy. See, this is easy. But it's not legitimate. And while maybe the numbers are correct in simple terms, the facts as to how and why they are there are different. The Obama administration is horrendous. 1 hour ago, Mileage Psycho said: Not shocked, just disgusted and appalled. Oh and now Trump is going to talk about Bill...................Hey Donald, Bill is not running and it is never wise to attack the victim and that even includes a victim who stood by her man. You do grasp the hypocrisyy in it all though, right? Tell me you do. If not, you really, really need to find another news channel. 1 hour ago, Edmo said: Can any man on here honestly say they never stood around the water cooler talking about a chicks ass, or how they'd like to fuck this one or that one? It's what men do. Yep. Not defending him though. He's a pig...but, look at our society Look at the popularity of our "reality" shows. Our whole society is circling the drain as far as what was once considered "morally correct". 1 hour ago, Mainecat said: Good question for many here. Tick tick Z Did I satisfactorily answer it for you? How are you not seeing your own thoughts of corrupt hypocrisy on this whole election? Answer that...FOR ALL OF US. You kind of look like the class clown a lot more than you think. But, we all still love you. BIG KISS! 1 hour ago, Edmo said: The same guys that gigled and said no big deal about billy getting head from interns in the Oval Office find this incident to be terribly offensive? No hypocracy there. BE-EYE-N-GEE-O! And Bingo was his name-------OH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Trump said fuck and pussy DemonCUNT outrage But this gets a pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Holy fuckin skirt Vince's question! Trumpologists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Vince is the king of fake outrage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted October 8, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 8, 2016 9 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Ding Ding ding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Holy fuckin skirt Vince's question! Trumpologists You know...you really are the site mascot for hypocrisy HOWEVER, it did occur to me that maybe I missed that last question and answered one only vaguely. SO here...for you (and Vince): Vince posted: "......how do you explain to her your support for Donald Trump? Would you ever want her to date a man like Donald Trump?" I don't support Trump, I adamantly oppose Hillary...and I believe I answered the "explaining" part. As far as "dating" a man like Trump. Absolutely not. But I also don't want her being a woman who stands by as her husband demeans, abuses and treats women as his own personal amusement park, then tries do destroy, slander and shame the women after her husband is done with them. Accepting lie upon lie and living with the grossness of it all in order to gain power and money. In other words, I don't want her to be anything like Hillary. 17 minutes ago, motonoggin said: It's our own little reality show in which information is given to us in the form others think we need it to make decisions on our future. We are the best sheep in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go 'Merica!! Edited October 8, 2016 by Zambroski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 12 minutes ago, Dave said: Vince is the king of fake outrage. Why would I be outraged, Trump lost my support a long time ago (hard to believe that it was a year ago I posted a pic of myself wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat along with my ten pointer wearing the hat) the folks who should be outraged are the ones who have supported Trump through this whole process as not only has he put his campaign on the ropes but he has also negatively effected many down ballot Republicans. None of this is good for the Republican Party, it's sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Can't make this shit up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Mileage Psycho said: Here are some facts: When Obama came into office we were losing 800,000 jobs a month and now we have had 15.3 million private sector jobs created over the last 79 months, the Dow was 6,400 and it's now over 18,000, government spend was at 24% of the GDP and now it's at 20% of the GDP because of spending caps that were Obama's idea.........Delivering more of what I just typed is not a bad thing, and with that I'll choose the candidate who actually has policy and understands policy. 20 trillion debt less people participating in the work force in the work force more people on food stamps race wars on the streets with cops and lets not even get in to the camel jokey situation that lets be honest old bill could have taken care of pretty ez after the SSclole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 37 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Why would I be outraged, Trump lost my support a long time ago (hard to believe that it was a year ago I posted a pic of myself wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat along with my ten pointer wearing the hat) the folks who should be outraged are the ones who have supported Trump through this whole process as not only has he put his campaign on the ropes but he has also negatively effected many down ballot Republicans. None of this is good for the Republican Party, it's sad. When did you become such a pussy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Dave said: When did you become such a pussy? Become Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted October 8, 2016 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 8, 2016 Meanwhile the only qualified adult running for President is taking questions from young women: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/05/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=1 As the parent of a 15 year old daughter - I'm happy to support Hillary Clinton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Meanwhile the only qualified adult running for President is taking questions from young women: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/05/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=1 As the parent of a 15 year old daughter - I'm happy to support Hillary Clinton Gullible brainwashed DemonCUNT hack posts what http://www.infowars.com/fake-hilary-clinton-takes-question-from-child-actor-corporate-media-regurgitates-footage/ BOMBSHELL: HILLARY CAUGHT USING CHILD ACTOR AT STAGED TOWN HALL Girl who asked question on 'body image' is daughter of democratic State Senator Steve Watson | Infowars.com - OCTOBER 6, 2016 1300 Comments Bombshell: Hillary Caught Using Child Actor at Staged Town Hall 15.2K042 Hillary Clinton has been caught in yet another staged fake town hall style question and answer exchange, this time with a child actor who was planted to ask Hillary a question about ‘body image’ and the way Donald Trump talks about women, which was repeated ad nauseum on mainstream media broadcasts. The town hall event took place in Haverford, Pennsylvania Wednesday, with Clinton taking questions from people ‘chosen at random’. When a 15-year-old girl popped up to ask Clinton about Trump’s past comments on women, it all seemed a little too scripted. Sure enough, when YouTuber Spanglevision did some further investigating, it was revealed that this “random” girl in the crowd is a child actor named Brennan Leach. What’s more, the girl’s father, just coincidentally is Pennsylvania democratic State Senator Daylin Leach, a staunch supporter of Hillary’s campaign. “Hi Madam Secretary. I’m Brennan and I’m 15 years old. At my school, body image is a really big issue for girls my age.” the girl stated. “I see with my own eyes the damage Donald Trump does when he talks about women and how they look. As the first female president how would you undo some of that damage and help girls understand that they’re so much more than just what they look like?” she asked Clinton, lobbing up a giant softball for her to take a swipe at. Hillary told the kid “I’m so proud of you for asking that question,”and proceeded to hit Trump for ‘judging women and calling them names solely on the basis of physical attributes.’ “My opponent insulted Miss Universe. I mean, how do you get more acclaimed than that? But, it wasn’t good enough. So we can’t take any of this seriously any more. We need to laugh at it. We need to refute it. We need to ignore it. And we need to stand up to it.” Hillary stated. The corporate lackey media jumped on the footage, with CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, New York Magazine, The Chicago Tribune, Cosmopolitan all covering the exchange. It’s as if the entire thing was pre-planned… and it was. It was ALL FAKE. Here’s a video of Brennan in a campaign ad for her father: And here is the child acting in a movie entitled “Once Upon A Time Trillium Vein.” This is not the first time Hillary has been accused of using plants at question and answer sessions. It is something her campaign regularly does. The revelation also dovetails with news that Hillary’s campaign scripted an entire interview weeks ahead of time when she appeared on Steve Harvey’s show back in February. The details were revealed in a leaked internal memo. Clinton’s campaign prepared a raft of softball questions for Harvey to ask, and when he flashed up photographs of her as a child, Hillary acted surprised, as if she did not know he was going to do so. In reality, the entire thing was scripted in advance. Can Fake Hillary do anything without her PR team preparing it in advance? And what does this say about someone who wants to be president, a position that regularly demands quick spur of the moment action and decisions? —————————————————————— Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) Maybe Hillary can defend someone's daughter's rapist. Edited October 8, 2016 by Zambroski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted October 8, 2016 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Maybe Hillary can defend someone's daughter's rapist. That's been debunked several times. Only your personal ignorance keeps you believing it's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Just now, SnowRider said: That's been debunked several times. Only your personal ignorance keeps you believing it's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Just now, SnowRider said: That's been debunked several times. Only your personal ignorance keeps you believing it's true. Snopes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01mxz800 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Snopes? No CNN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted October 8, 2016 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 8, 2016 It's over for Dump. He will get smoked tomorrow night and that will be the icing on the cake R Senators are pulling their endorsements and scrambling to kick him off the ticket. Dump is on the leading edge of destroying the R party as women from all wake of life will never support R's again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Just now, SnowRider said: It's over for Dump. He will get smoked tomorrow night and that will be the icing on the cake R Senators are pulling their endorsements and scrambling to kick him off the ticket. Dump is on the leading edge of destroying the R party as women from all wake of life will never support R's again. "wake of life" And nobody cares about your Hillary clit sucking here. Moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 EXCLUSIVE: Child rape victim comes forward for the first time in 40 years to call Hillary Clinton a 'liar' who defended her rapist by smearing her, blocking evidence and callously laughing that she knew he was guilty 'Hillary Clinton is not for women and children,' says Kathy Shelton, 54, who was 12 years old when she was raped by Thomas Alfred Taylor in Arkansas Clinton was the rapist's defense lawyer, pleading him down to 'unlawful fondling of a minor' The 41-year-old drifter served less than a year in prison The plea came after Clinton was able to block the admission of forensic evidence that linked her client to the crime Shelton says she's furious that Clinton has been portraying herself as a lifelong advocate of women and girls on the campaign trail Clinton accused Shelton of 'seeking out older men' in the case and demanded that she undergo a grueling court-ordered psychiatric examination The presidential candidate later laughed while discussing aspects of the case in a recently-unearthed audiotaped interview from the 1980s By ALANA GOODMAN IN SPRINGDALE, ARKANSAS FOR DAILYMAIL.COM PUBLISHED: 15:06 GMT, 9 August 2016 | UPDATED: 18:08 GMT, 9 August 2016 e-mail 36kshares 78 View comments A child rape victim says she cannot forgive Hillary Clinton for defending her rapist in court 40 years ago, saying the Democratic presidential candidate attacked her credibility despite knowing that her assailant was guilty – and later laughed about it in a taped interview. Kathy Shelton was just 12 years old when a 41-year-old drifter raped her on the side of a desolate Arkansas road in 1975. Now, four decades later, she has agreed to be named and pictured for the first time in this Daily Mail Online exclusive because she is furious that her rapist's defense attorney - Hillary Clinton - has been portraying herself as a lifelong advocate of women and girls on the campaign trail. SCROLL DOWN FOR EXCLUSIVE VIDEO +16 Kathy Shelton was just 12 years old when 41-year-old Thomas Alfred Taylor raped her on a desolate Arkansas road in 1975 +16 Clinton (pictured in 1974 as a lawyer for the Rodino Committee) served as Taylor's lawyer in 1975, when she was just 27 years old 'It's put a lot of anger back in me,' said Shelton, now 54, in an exclusive interview at her Springdale, Arkansas, home in August. 'Every time I see [Clinton] on TV I just want to reach in there and grab her, but I can't do that.' In 1975, Clinton served as the defense lawyer for Thomas Alfred Taylor, a 41-year-old factory worker accused of raping Shelton after luring her to his car. Taylor pleaded down to 'unlawful fondling of a minor' and served less than a year in prison after Clinton was able to block the admission of forensic evidence that linked her client to the crime. In a lengthy interview with the Daily Mail Online, Shelton said Clinton is 'lying' when she claims to be a lifelong defender of women and girls. Shelton said Clinton accused her during the case of 'seeking out older men', and demanded that the 12-year-old undergo a grueling court-ordered psychiatric examination to determine whether she was 'mentally unstable'. 'I don't think [Clinton's] for women or girls. I think she's lying, I think she said anything she can to get in the campaign and win,' Shelton said. 'If she was [an advocate for women and children], she wouldn't have done that to me at 12 years old.' While Shelton gave an anonymous interview to the Daily Beast in 2014, she said wants to start speaking out publicly, in part because 'I think a lot of people would look at [Clinton] in a different way' after hearing her story directly. 'I want to speak to the world. Out there at the White House, so everyone can hear me,' said Shelton. 'That's always been my thing since the anger's built up. I want to speak out like [Clinton] does, and let the whole world hear it.' For decades, Shelton said she had no idea that Clinton was the same woman as the lawyer who defended her rapist in 1975. During the case, Clinton accused the 12-year-old of 'seek[ing] out older men' and 'engag[ing] in fantasizing' in court affidavits, and later laughed while discussing aspects of the case in a recently-unearthed audiotape from the 1980s. On the audiotape, Clinton indicated that she believed Taylor, her client, was guilty, saying that his ability to pass a lie detector test 'forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs'. +16 +16 Shelton's (pictured left as a child and right as an adult) rapist's defenses lawyer was now-Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. Shelton says she's furious that Clinton has been portraying herself as a lifelong advocate of women and girls on the campaign trail Kathy Shelton talks about surviving brutal rape in 1975 Loaded: 0% Progress: 0% 0:00 Previous Play Skip Mute Current Time0:00 / Duration Time1:38 Fullscreen Need Text She also laughed while describing how she was able to get a world-famous New York City blood expert to question the admissibility of forensic evidence that was misplaced by the crime lab after it was tested. The tape, which Shelton said discredits the notion that Clinton truly cared about protecting young girls, raises new questions that she wants to ask Clinton directly. 'I heard you on tape laughing,' said Shelton. 'I just want to know, you've got a daughter and a grandbaby. What happens if that daughter of yours, if that would have been her [who was assaulted at age 12]?' 'You would have protected her. You don't know me, so I'm a piece of crap to you,' added Shelton, who lives in the same small northwest Arkansas town where she was raised by a single mother. 'Who cares about me, as long as you can win your first case as an attorney?' I don't think [Clinton's] for women or girls. I think she's lying, I think she said anything she can to get in the campaign and win. If she was, she wouldn't have done that to me at 12 years old. - Kathy Shelton The criticism of Clinton comes as Democrats seek to highlight the candidate's early career legal work in support of women and children. At the Democratic National Convention last month, the candidate and her surrogates repeatedly highlighted Clinton's year-long stint at the Children's Defense Fund after she graduated from law school in 1973. 'I went to work for the Children's Defense Fund, going door-to-door in New Bedford, Massachusetts, on behalf of children with disabilities who were denied the chance to go to school,' said Clinton in her speech. 'It became clear to me that simply caring is not enough. To drive real progress, you have to change both hearts and laws,' she added. Former president Bill Clinton also praised his wife's work at the Children's Defense Fund, and Donna Brazile told the convention that during that in the 1970s, 'Hillary didn't want to talk about anything other than how to make children's lives better'. One year after her job at the Children's Defense Fund ended, 27-year-old Clinton moved to Fayetteville, Arkansas, where she married Bill Clinton. There, she helped launch a legal aid clinic at the University of Arkansas, which provided legal advice to individuals who could not afford it. +16 Shelton (pictured aged 12 with her mother) was raised in Springdale, Arkansas by a single mother Kathy Shelton on how being raped at age twelve affected her Loaded: 0% Progress: 0% 0:00 Previous Play Skip Mute Current Time0:00 / Duration Time0:35 Fullscreen Need Text In 1975, Clinton was given the most consequential criminal case of her legal career – defending Taylor on charges of first degree rape, after the defendant requested a female attorney. Since then, Clinton has spoken about the case only rarely, writing in her biography that she successfully 'cast doubt on the evidentiary value of semen and blood samples the prosecutor claimed proved the defendant's guilt in the rape'. After the Roy Reed interview was published in 2014, Clinton defended her role, saying that as an attorney she was required to defend her client to the best of her ability, despite the nature of the crime. 'I asked to be relieved of that responsibility but I was not and I had a professional duty to represent my client to the best of my ability, which I did,' Clinton said. According to Shelton, Clinton's public response left many questions unanswered. 'She didn't mention that she was laughing and saying [Taylor] was guilty. I guess as a lawyer it is your responsibility to defend someone,' Shelton said. 'But if she's for women and children, why would she defend someone knowing that a 12-year-old got raped?' she added. Shelton said she 'wasn't surprised' that Clinton has yet to express sympathy for the plight she went through as a victim. She said: 'If she brought it up there would probably be some questions asked that she wouldn't be able to answer. 'Because after laughing on that tape, she's pretty much stuck in knowing that she lied, knowing that it happened to me. And that tape's out there to be listened to by anybody.' On May 10, 1975, Shelton, an outgoing 12-year-old tomboy, had been riding her bike around the neighborhood when she first encountered Taylor - who worked at a paper factory at the time - and an underage male at one of her friend's houses. +16 Shelton still lives in the same small northwest Arkansas town where she was. Pictured above is her home in Springdale The Washington County Sherriff's Office said the case files from the assault were unavailable and may have been lost in a flood, making it difficult to compile an independent account of the case. But according to a timeline reported by Newsday in 2008, Shelton got into Taylor's truck after he said he would take her to get a soda. Taylor drove to a 'weedy ravine', where he and his 15-year-old male acquaintance raped her. Taylor and his 15-year-old accomplice denied raping Shelton, although one unnamed witness of the attack told prosecutors that he overheard Taylor sexually assaulting Shelton, according to court records. She didn't mention that she was laughing and saying [Taylor] was guilty. I guess as a lawyer it is your responsibility to defend someone. But if she's for women and children, why would she defend someone knowing that a 12-year-old got raped? - Kathy Shelton 'They denied it and said I asked for it,' said Shelton. 'Do you think I would ask to have several stitches down there and not have kids? No, I wouldn't.' Shelton said she was a virgin before she was raped, and her mother was very strict about her relationships with members of the opposite sex. 'My mom didn't even let me start dating until 18 and then I didn't want to because of what happened,' said Shelton. 'I didn't deserve it…I was a virgin, let's put it that way, when it happened. And I was totally freaked out.' Shelton said she was physically beaten during the attack. 'I can't cuss, but [Taylor] was calling me the 'b' word, and [saying] 'You like it, you know it',' said Shelton. 'Slapping me and hitting me with his fist.' A witness to the assault told the prosecutor that 'he overheard Thomas Taylor having had sexual relations with the victim'. Medical examinations 'reflected that the victim herein had, in fact, had sexual relations consistent with the time stated by her wherein she was attacked,' according to court filings. Shelton said she managed to escape her attackers to a nearby house that had a light on, and later woke up in the hospital. +16 Shelton, pictured biting into an ice cream bar at a Baskin Robbins shortly after the attack, said it took her a long time to trust men again following the traumatizing rape Shelton recounted the brutal assault that she said left her with severe internal and external injuries. She said she was knocked into a coma, and later required stitches in her genital area. 'When I came out of the coma, I had several stitches down there. They tore me up bad,' she said. 'The doctors said there was a 99 percent chance I couldn't have kids. I have been with a couple men after that, it took me a long time to grow there. But I never had any kids.' As a result of the attack, Shelton said doctors told her it was unlikely she would ever be able to have children. She said she was devastated by the prognosis. 'When I was younger I really wanted a kid so bad,' said Shelton, who has never had children. 'I love kids.' Kathy Shelton talks about her anger towards Hillary Clinton Loaded: 0% Progress: 0% 0:00 Previous Play Skip Mute Current Time0:00 / Duration Time2:50 Fullscreen Need Text +16 Hillary Clinton, pictured above in 1979 with husband Bill, was Taylor's defense lawyer. Despite spending years working for the Children's Defense Fund, once Clinton was appointed she dove in to defend her client with characteristic vigor On May 13, 1975, Taylor was charged with first-degree rape, which carried a sentence of 30 years to life in prison. Although the court initially appointed a male attorney to represent him, Taylor later demanded a female lawyer. The lawyer Taylor received was Hillary Clinton, who has given varying accounts about how she ended up on the case. In an unpublished interview in the 1980s with Arkansas reporter Roy Reed - which was first reported by the Washington Free Beacon in 2014 - Clinton said she agreed to take the case as a personal favor to the prosecutor. 'The prosecutor called me a few years ago, he said he had a guy who had been accused of rape, and the guy wanted a woman lawyer,' said Clinton in the interview. 'Would I do it as a favor for him?' HILLARY CAUGHT LAUGHING ABOUT RAPE CASE ON TAPE Hillary Clinton joked about the guilt of an accused child rapist she defended in court, according to long-buried audio recordings from the 1980s that were first published in 2014. During a taped interview with Arkansas reporter Roy Reed in the 1980s, Clinton can be heard laughing at several points while recounting her legal defense of Thomas Alfred Taylor, the 41-year-old man who was accused of raping a 12-year-old girl in 1975. 'I had [Taylor] take a polygraph. Which he passed – which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs,' said Clinton, chuckling. Although the interview was not published at the time, Reed later donated the recording to the University of Arkansas Special Collections library. It was first published by the Washington Free Beacon in 2014. Clinton said the 'sad part' of the case was the 'prosecutors had evidence,' including Taylor's underwear that was stained with blood and semen. According to Clinton, crime lab investigators cut out the stained section of fabric when they tested it, but accidentally threw it away afterward – which gave Clinton an opening to get the key piece of evidence against her client tossed. Clinton took the underwear to New York where she tracked down a famous forensics expert, who confirmed for her that there was no material left on the underwear for the defense to independently test. Clinton said she returned to Arkansas and handed the prosecutor a clipping of the renowned forensic expert's biography. 'And I said, 'Well, this guy's ready to come from New York to prevent this miscarriage of justice,' said Clinton, laughing. 'So we were gonna plea bargain.' The charges against Clinton's client were dropped from first degree rape – which carried a 30-years-to-life prison sentence – to unlawful fondling of a minor. Taylor was sentenced to less than a year in prison. On the recording, Clinton said she took the case – in which Taylor was accused of raping a 12-year-old girl after luring her into his car – as a favour to the prosecutor. 'A prosecutor called me years ago, said that he had a guy who was accused of rape, and the guy wanted a woman lawyer,' said Clinton. 'Would I do it as a favour to him?' Clinton gave a slightly different account in 2014 after the tape was published. She said she was appointed to the case and had asked the judge to remove her, but the judge ordered her to stay on. The prosecutor told CNN a similar story. Later, Clinton said she was ordered by the court to defend Taylor, and unsuccessfully petitioned the judge to remove her from the case. The prosecutor gave a similar account to CNN in 2014. Whatever the circumstances, once Clinton was appointed she dove in to defend her client with characteristic vigor. One of Clinton's first moves was to raise questions about the credibility of the 12-year-old victim. In a July 18, 1975, affidavit, Clinton asked the court to order Shelton to undergo a psychiatric examination from a doctor selected by the Taylor's legal team. The evaluation was necessary, she argued, because Shelton was 'emotionally unstable.' 'I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,' wrote Clinton. 'I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body.' The 12-year-old girl also 'exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way', argued Clinton. +16 Clinton has been portraying herself as a lifelong advocate of women and girls on the campaign trail +16 Shelton said Clinton accused her during the case of 'seeking out older men' in court papers +16 Clinton made a motion for Shelton to go through a psychiatric exam as part of the 1975 trial Clinton said she spoke to a child psychology expert who told her that 'children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences', and that this was particularly true for 'adolescents with disorganized families,' such as Shelton's. Although Clinton's legal maneuver would likely be prohibited today under Arkansas rape shield act, the law was not passed until two years after the case. Shelton said one of her worst memories of the case was being questioned repeatedly by appointed experts. 'It got so bad that I told my mom I wasn't going back, and whatever happened, happened,' said Shelton. 'It's sad that a 12-year-old had to go through what I had to go through, because for days I cried and cried and cried over it.' It got so bad that I told my mom I wasn't going back, and whatever happened, happened. It's sad that a 12-year-old had to go through what I had to go through, because for days I cried and cried and cried over it. - Kathy Shelton In the end, the psychiatric examination wouldn't make or break the case, Clinton disclosed in her interview with Reed. The prosecution's case centered around forensic evidence - a pair of blood-and-semen stained underwear worn by Taylor. 'The sad thing was,' said Clinton, 'The prosecutor had evidence. A pair of underpants, which was bloody.' But, Clinton explained, the crime lab had accidentally thrown away the soiled section of cloth after testing it. She took the remnants of the underwear to a renowned forensic expert in New York City. He told Clinton there was not enough blood left on the clothing for the defense team to conduct its own independent testing. Clinton returned to Arkansas and presented the prosecutor with the famed forensic expert's biography. 'I said, 'This guy's ready to come from New York to prevent this miscarriage of justice',' Clinton told Reed, breaking into laughter. 'So we were gonna plea bargain.' +16 Shelton said she decided to start speaking out publicly, in part because 'I think a lot of people would look at [Clinton] in a different way' after hearing her story directly +16 The prosecution affidavit shows that investigator Kim Smith spoke to people who Shelton said were present when the incident occurred Taylor, who had been facing 30 years to life in prison, was able to plead to significantly reduced charges. 'Got [Taylor] off with time served in the county jail,' Clinton said. 'He'd been in the county jail about two months.' According to court records, Taylor was sentenced to one year in the county jail with two months reduced for time served. At one point on the tape, Clinton suggested to Reed that she believed Taylor was guilty of rape. 'Of course, [Taylor] denied [raping her]… I had him take a polygraph, which he passed - which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs,' said Clinton, chuckling. Shelton said this was one of the most upsetting parts of the tape. RELATED ARTICLES Previous 1 Next Clinton's private server held emails about nuclear 'spy'...Tim Kaine says he and Hillary will be 'real transparent' if... SHARE THIS ARTICLE Share '[Clinton] was just trying to make herself big and look good, and it's what she's doing now,' said Shelton. 'She's not for women or children. 'I think if she got called in another case of a rape, and she didn't know the people, I think she'd do the same thing again.' Shelton said she has led a difficult life since 1975. She previously struggled with drug addiction, and, about a decade ago, she served time in prison for fraudulent checks. Shelton told a Newsday reporter who interviewed her in jail in 2008 that she had no hard feelings toward Clinton for defending Taylor. But she said after the memories of the case came back and the Roy Reed tapes were released, she is no longer forgiving. 'I've been in trouble before… and I think it's because of the life I led,' said Shelton. 'That can make you think bad thoughts, and go down a wrong road, thinking I'm no good.' +16 The city of Springdale, where Shelton grew up and still lives, is the fourth largest city in Arkansas +16 Taylor, who was 41 at the time, was charged with rape in the first degree after attacking Shelton in 1975 +16 The rape in the first degree saw a sentence of 30 years to life, but in the end, Taylor was sentenced to only one year in prison Shelton said for years after the assault she also found it difficult to have friendships with men or be alone with them. 'For years I would hardly even be around men,' she said. 'I felt like I wanted nothing to do with men at all. I would dress like a guy so they'd leave me alone.' Shelton, who says she's is a lesbian, also said she has not dated for many years and prefers to be on her own. Since 2008, Shelton said she has turned her life around. She lives in a modest rental house in the same town where she was born. She likes to spend time at home with her two cousins and their children, who call her 'Aunt Kathy', and other friends in the area. [Clinton] was just trying to make herself big and look good, and it's what she's doing now. She's not for women or children. - Kathy Shelton Shelton went to therapy for over a decade after the rape. In one photo of her taken shortly after the attack, she gives a toothy smile as she bites into an ice cream bar at a Baskin Robbins. Her brown hair is cut in a shaggy style and she is wearing a boyish button-down plaid shirt. She said the photo was taken by her therapist, remembering that she was allowed to take that day off from school. In the photo, Shelton looks younger than her 12 years. Today she looks older than 54, with wrinkles and heavy bags under her piercing blue eyes. She said she sometimes finds it hard to talk about the attack, all these years later. 'Sometimes I still break down and cry, since it's been brought back up,' she said. 'I'm trying right now not to tear up, but it's kind of hard sometimes.' But she said that won't stop her from speaking out about what she went through - even if it is politically uncomfortable for one of the world's most powerful women. 'I'm being restored for something that was stolen from me,' she said. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3729466/Child-rape-victim-comes-forward-time-40-years-call-Hillary-Clinton-liar-defended-rapist-smearing-blocking-evidence-callously-laughing-knew-guilty.html#ixzz4MVkjvtgI Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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