The Point: Karl Rove is right

[Mileage Psycho]

Karl Rove talking about facts.

 

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The Point: Karl Rove is right

Say what you will about Karl Rove -- and people say all sorts of things -- but his political track record makes clear that he's someone who should be listened to. Rove was, after all, the architect of George W. Bush's two presidential campaigns, and warned about the need to broaden the Republican Party's coalition beyond whites more than a decade ago.

So I was intrigued when I came across these comments Rove made at a post-2018 election conference in Sea Island, Georgia:

"We’ve got to be worried about what’s happening in the suburbs. We get wiped out in the Dallas suburbs, Houston suburbs, Chicago suburbs, Denver suburbs -- you know there’s a pattern -- Detroit suburbs, Minneapolis suburbs, Orange County, California, suburbs. When we start to lose in the suburbs, it says something to us. We can’t replace all of those people by simply picking up (Minnesota’s First Congressional District) -- farm country and the Iron range of Minnesota -- because, frankly, there’s more growth in suburban areas than there is in rural areas.”

Rove is exactly 100% right.

In the 2018 election, Democrats gained a slew of former Republican-held seats in the suburbs -- from Atlanta to the Twin Cities to Philadelphia to Chicago. According to the exit polling, suburban voters made up a majority (51%) of the overall electorate -- up 2 points from 2016. And unlike in 2016, when Donald Trump carried suburban voters by 4 points, in 2018 suburbanites split their votes right down the middle -- 49% for Republican House candidates, 40% for Democratic ones.

In 2014, the last midterm election, suburban voters made up 52% of the electorate but went for Republican candidates by 12 points. That's the same margin that Republicans won suburban voters by in the 2010 election.

You get the idea. Among a group that comprises 50-ish% of the electorate, Republicans have lost their one-time (and longtime) edge.

In his remarks, Rove said vaguely that the party needed to figure out why it had lost its suburban superiority. But the actual answer (as I strongly suspect Rove knows) is actually quite simple: Suburbanites -- especially suburban women -- have a very negative view of President Trump, and that dislike is what is driving them away from the party that had long aligned with their own fiscal interests.

Women, who made up 52% of the national House electorate on Tuesday, went for Democratic candidates over Republican ones by 19 points. Four years earlier, in the last pre-Trump midterm election, Democratic candidates only outpaced Republicans among women by 4 points. You do the math.

The Point: Way back in 2000, Rove -- and Bush -- warned the GOP of the long-term problems for the party of its predominantly white and male base. The party didn't listen and, in fact, went the other way by nominating Trump in 2016. Eighteen years after his first warning, Rove is warning his side of another demographic catastrophe looming on the horizon. Will they listen to him this time?

-- Chris

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[Anler]

The "point" SHOULD be that the Republicans and the Democrats don't stand for anything. They are simply using statistics to cater to voters to get elected. Fuck them. 

[oleroule]

the 'loss' in the suburbs was due to urban sprawl, not trump.

who's in urban areas?

 libs and immigrants...immigrants that don't want to assimilate.

mpls/ st paul is a great example.

it's gotten beyond help.

Edited November 13, 2018 by oleroule

[Cold War]

This completel asshole has got a point.  

[Mileage Psycho]

2 hours ago, oleroule said:

the 'loss' in the suburbs was due to urban sprawl, not trump.

who's in urban areas?

 libs and immigrants...immigrants that don't want to assimilate.

mpls/ st paul is a great example.

it's gotten beyond help.

Karl Rove whether you like him or not is a political genius and he understands the demographics and the voting results, and you're political credentials are?

[ActionfigureJoe]

Given the current level of job and economic grow, the GOP should own the white house and both chambers of congress. There's a reason why they lost the House. 

[Anler]

1 minute ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

Given the current level of job and economic grow, the GOP should own the white house and both chambers of congress. There's a reason why they lost the House. 

Fear campaign?

[ActionfigureJoe]

Just now, Anler said:

Fear campaign?

How about Trump is unlikable by normal human beings? 

[f7ben]

6 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

How about Trump is unlikable by normal human beings? 

Bit still slightly more likeable than Hillary 

[motonoggin]

6 hours ago, Anler said:

Fear campaign?

The Scare-a-van

4 minutes ago, f7ben said:

Bit still slightly more likeable than Hillary 

Bam

[jtssrx]

7 hours ago, Mileage Psycho said:

Karl Rove whether you like him or not is a political genius and he understands the demographics and the voting results, and you're political credentials are?

He may be right about why republicans lost seats but he’s wrong about why they lost them. 

6 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

How about Trump is unlikable by normal human beings? 

Trump being unlikeable is a stupid reason not to vote for a Republican. Unlike Obama who lost a boat load of seats over his eight Trumps policies are working. The people who voted for democrats in this election voted because of their feeling not facts. They don’t like Trump as you said so lets elect democrats. It’s just stupid

[motonoggin]

1 minute ago, jtssrx said:

He may be right about why republicans lost seats but he’s wrong about why they lost them. 

Trump being unlikeable is a stupid reason not to vote for a Republican. Unlike Obama who lost a boat load of seats over his eight Trumps policies are working. The people who voted for democrats in this election voted because of their feeling not facts. They don’t like Trump as you said so lets elect democrats. It’s just stupid

Deep thoughts...

[jtssrx]

15 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Deep thoughts...

 

Why did voters vote against trump? Obama lost close to 80 house seats in his first midterm and multiple Senate seats. Trump lost a quarter of that in the house with 50 republicans retiring from the house. He actually gained senate seats. So what other reason besides not liking him are traditional voting areas voting democrat? Are his policies working or not?

[Highmark]

I don't disagree with him but let the country reap what it sows.  No matter how socialist we become the leaders won't go after wealth, they will go after income.   They won't go after wealth because many in power are and will be wealthy.   The people calling the shots are already set.  The challenge will be finding ways to pass it on to you family without the most of it going to govt.  

[DriftBusta]

2 hours ago, motonoggin said:

Deep thoughts...

Rich coming from the trailer park  Antifa Guy.

[racer254]

12 hours ago, oleroule said:

the 'loss' in the suburbs was due to urban sprawl, not trump.

who's in urban areas?

 libs and immigrants...immigrants that don't want to assimilate.

mpls/ st paul is a great example.

it's gotten beyond help.

Lets not forget where they constantly want to put up low income housing developments.  They have found a way around redistricting, they just move the voters.

[jtssrx]

4 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

Rich coming from the trailer park  Antifa Guy.

He's the local smartass passing himself off as an intellectual who is also the smartest guy in the room. He's an Antifa version of slinger. He's also a massive democrat pretending to be an anarchist  

[f7ben]

Just now, jtssrx said:

He's the local smartass passing himself off as an intellectual who is also the smartest guy in the room. He's an Antifa version of slinger. He's also a massive democrat pretending to be an anarchist  

You're a fucking moron

[jtssrx]

Just now, f7ben said:

You're a fucking moron

Here's his angry low self-esteem twin brother. 

[Zambroski]

2 hours ago, jtssrx said:

He may be right about why republicans lost seats but he’s wrong about why they lost them. 

Trump being unlikeable is a stupid reason not to vote for a Republican. Unlike Obama who lost a boat load of seats over his eight Trumps policies are working. The people who voted for democrats in this election voted because of their feeling not facts. They don’t like Trump as you said so lets elect democrats. It’s just stupid

It is.  Bit that works both ways.  Almost exclusely now.  Results and plans don't matter.  Emotions rule.  Trump was elected for many reasons but people voted against Hillary for her "unlikeability" also.  Obama was reelected by emotional half-wits that convinced themselves of intellectual superiority who just found Obama adoring.  Like a teddy bear!  Retards.

The world is turning toward leadership that is helpless and meek...but "likeable".  It's funny as hell to me.

[jtssrx]

Just now, Zambroski said:

It is.  Bit that works both ways.  Almost exclusely now.  Results and plans don't matter.  Emotions rule.  Trump was elected for many reasons but people voted against Hillary for her "unlikeability" also.  Obama was reelected by emotional half-wits that convinced themselves of intellectual superiority who just found Obama adoring.  Like a teddy bear!  Retards.

The world is turning toward leadership that is helpless and meek...but "likeable".  It's funny as hell to me.

It amazes me that these parties don't have a better message than vote for me because the other party sucks. 

[f7ben]

7 minutes ago, jtssrx said:

Here's his angry low self-esteem twin brother. 

You're obviously a massive democrat

[Zambroski]

2 minutes ago, jtssrx said:

It amazes me that these parties don't have a better message than vote for me because the other party sucks. 

Been like this since I can rememeber.  We are just at whole differrent level of insanity now.  The left is losing their minds...the right will follow.

[Carlos Danger]

There is another side to suburban politics in Mass And CT that may end up playing out in blue states else where. The numbers of house seats held by Democrats has been on the decline although they still hold a majority. An act of self preservation on the part of the suburbs in order to slow the endless raising of property taxes.

[Angry ginger]

9 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

How about Trump is unlikable by normal human beings? 

 

3 hours ago, f7ben said:

Bit still slightly more likeable than Hillary 

both great points,  20202 is the dems for the taking if they can put forth a likeable moderate but they seem intent on retreading the old or going batshit lefty.