NaturallyAspirated Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Just now, Snake said: So I was right and you were wrong. I'll just continue that theme.... Yeah, sure... Totally believable. Your lying isn't helping your cause. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Yeah, sure... Totally believable. Your lying isn't helping your cause. Neal Your idiocy isn't helping yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Snake said: Your idiocy isn't helping yours. What are you, in 5th grade or something? Excellent avoidance of the questions btw... Neal Edited November 2, 2018 by NaturallyAspirated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: What are you, in 5th grade or something? Excellent avoidance of the questions btw... Neal Why are diplomats kids not citizens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, Snake said: Didn't you think Trump would lose? THe birthright citizenship issue is nothing more than a look at me appeal to the base, it takes a lot to repeal or amend an Amendment; so tell us how in this political climate you could get 2/3's of the House and Senate and 3/4 of the states voting to ratify it? Quote The Constitution’s Article V requires that an amendment be proposed by two-thirds of the House and Senate, or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures. It is up to the states to approve a new amendment, with three-quarters of the states voting to ratifying it. https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/what-does-it-take-to-repeal-a-constitutional-amendment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: THe birthright citizenship issue is nothing more than a look at me appeal to the base, it takes a lot to repeal or amend an Amendment; so tell us how in this political climate you could get 2/3's of the House and Senate and 3/4 of the states voting to ratify it? It doesn't need to be amended you penis headed stupid dago fuck that's the point the language is already there and being misused fuck you're a moron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 2, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 2, 2018 44 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: No, it's exactly what is happening. Past rulings show it to be so. Denying birthright citizenship is an idiotic wetdream and will not hold against the Constitution. It's stupid to fight it and will only lead to other amendment coming under attack. This is going to work out just like the nuclear option has. Neal What rulings? The two I've seen don't deal with those here illegally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: THe birthright citizenship issue is nothing more than a look at me appeal to the base, it takes a lot to repeal or amend an Amendment; so tell us how in this political climate you could get 2/3's of the House and Senate and 3/4 of the states voting to ratify it? Bring a case to the Supreme Court. Boy, that was tough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Snake said: Why are diplomats kids not citizens? Because we have specific laws dealing with foreign diplomats and their families. Those born under them have optional LPR qualifications. Are you willing to grant illegals the same immunity from our laws as diplomats? Their children born here LPR status? Care to answer the questions yet? Neal Edited November 2, 2018 by NaturallyAspirated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted November 2, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 2, 2018 I always love every It when so called Constitutionalists are only that when it suits their needs or views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, Snake said: Why are diplomats kids not citizens? When you are in a country as diplomat, your embassy is actually a sovereign foreign nation property within the host country (see Assange Ecuadorian Embassy) and a diplomat and his or her spouse are also here serving under the jurisdiction of another nation The language in the 14th is clear and true constitutionalist SC Justice say in the mold of Scalia isn't going vote against it, the SOH also understands this as evidenced by his remarks the other day. Quote Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 I guess we will get to see how this plays out and who is right or wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 2, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: When you are in a country as diplomat, your embassy is actually a sovereign foreign nation property within the host country (see Assange Ecuadorian Embassy) and a diplomat and his or her spouse are also here serving under the jurisdiction of another nation The language in the 14th is clear and true constitutionalist SC Justice say in the mold of Scalia isn't going vote against it, the SOH also understands this as evidenced by his remarks the other day. So why did they pass a special law for Native American's? Let's face it the equal protection law is probably one of the most often broken of the Amendments. Edited November 2, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Snake said: I guess we will get to see how this plays out and who is right or wrong. Is that your attempt to be graceful in backing out of answering questions? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Is that your attempt to be graceful in backing out of answering questions? Neal Ok, let's argue the meaning of 3 or 4 words. Go ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 10 hours ago, XCR1250 said: American Indians and their children did not become citizens until Congress passed the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. There would have been no need to pass such legislation if the 14th Amendment extended citizenship to all people born in America, no matter what the circumstances of their birth, and no matter the legal status of their parents. The high court decision says nothing about the children of illegal immigrants or the children of tourists, students, and other foreigners only temporarily present in this country being automatically considered U.S. citizens, those children are considered citizens of the native countries of their parents, just like children born abroad to American parents are considered U.S. citizens, no matter where the children are born, citizenship was not extended to the children of illegal immigrants – only permanent, legal residents. indians were not "under the jurisdiction" as described under the 14th as they were sovereign nations just like the children of diplomats are not therefore their children are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 2, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Is that your attempt to be graceful in backing out of answering questions? Neal How about those rulings you mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I always love every It when so called Constitutionalists are only that when it suits their needs or views. My favorite is when the partisan, sad sacking, emotional twits try to give and apply our constitutional rights to every person on earth....because they have “feels”....and misplaced bitter hate towards America. This is another dumb fucking argument concerning our blatant system abuses that we have let slide for decades due to passiveness. Time to reign this in a bit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Angry ginger said: indians were not "under the jurisdiction" as described under the 14th as they were sovereign nations just like the children of diplomats are not therefore their children are not. "The high court decision says nothing about the children of illegal immigrants or the children of tourists, students, and other foreigners only temporarily present in this country being automatically considered U.S. citizens, those children are considered citizens of the native countries of their parents, just like children born abroad to American parents are considered U.S. citizens" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Mileage Psycho said: THe birthright citizenship issue is nothing more than a look at me appeal to the base, it takes a lot to repeal or amend an Amendment; so tell us how in this political climate you could get 2/3's of the House and Senate and 3/4 of the states voting to ratify it? These dopes don't know how govt works. They think Trump is king and can wave his magic wand and it will be done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Anler said: These dopes don't know how govt works. They think Trump is king and can wave his magic wand and it will be done. You think this is part of the Constitution too? "dopes". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share Posted November 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Anler said: These dopes don't know how govt works. They think Trump is king and can wave his magic wand and it will be done. hey now this sounds very familiar from 2008-2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snake Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Mainecat said: Your first lady had a cock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted November 2, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Pete said: hey now this sounds very familiar from 2008-2016 All I heard during that time was guys like you crying like a bitch. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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