Rod Posted May 8, 2018 Author Share Posted May 8, 2018 You know what’s crazy is the Marxist’s here riducule those of higher intellect for judging communism based on the observations of its actual implementation and consequences rather than the fantasies and visions of what they think it might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Lets be honest. What this really boils down to is white men crying about the fact that it's becoming socially unacceptable to be a massive dickbag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Rod Johnson said: You know what’s crazy is the Marxist’s here riducule those of higher intellect for judging communism based on the observations of its actual implementation and consequences rather than the fantasies and visions of what they think it might be. I'm not a Marxist, buy marxism does inform my political analysis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted May 8, 2018 Author Share Posted May 8, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: I'm not a Marxist, buy marxism does inform my political analysis. Call yourself whatever you like to feel better about how much better your fantasy society is than real life ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Lets be honest. What this really boils down to is white men crying about the fact that it's becoming socially unacceptable to be a massive dickbag. Wut? That's being "honest"? Nobody cares about beta white men that aren't what they think they are and are getting called out on it more frequently. "Dickbags" have always been with our species, and always will be. They serve a purpose too...and not all bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, Zambroski said: My responses in Red. He means utopian, not idealistic. It's an intentional attempt to frame the goal of progress through a significantly different societal structure as completely unrealistic. It's loaded rhetoric, period. The point is that he doesn't define us or them and then throws out percentages to make his statement sound more factual than it is. Anarchist socialism is not the same thing as authoritarian communism. Whether or not AnSoc is the way to go it's simply deceitful to use dictatorships to invalidate it. His opinions are popular amongst Momo, what does that tell you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Damn....willyblower just took a steamy pewp right on buttcocks face 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted May 8, 2018 Author Share Posted May 8, 2018 Anarchist socialism\communism hinges on the false belief that you can have either of those things without a dictatorship or authoritarianism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Just now, Wildboer said: He means utopian, not idealistic. It's an intentional attempt to frame the goal of progress through a significantly different societal structure as completely unrealistic. It's loaded rhetoric, period. WUT? I believe this is "word salad". "loaded rhetoric". COME ON! I do agree with the "completely unrealistic" part though....but not in the way you want. The point is that he doesn't define us or them and then throws out percentages to make his statement sound more factual than it is. Ok...then, what "defines you"? Anarchist socialism is not the same thing as authoritarian communism. Whether or not AnSoc is the way to go it's simply deceitful to use dictatorships to invalidate it. Doesn't matter. If he's not talking about your BRAND of communism/socialism/utopia, why are you so upset at even the mention of his name. You hate lobsters!!! His opinions are popular amongst Momo, what does that tell you? I guess it tells me that Momo is a realist and smarter than you all think. I'd like to see anbody else come up with those 20 syllable names that clearly drive the board nuts! Now....got spinach ravioli waiting and I swear....my wife can make it better than sex!!! Don't tell her that though...she needs to stay on her game. So........ *pin My responses in Red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 8 hours ago, motonoggin said: Oh, it's not the first time, we've got lots of incels and other protofascists skulking around here. No he doesn't, he sounds just.like you trying to imitate me. Garbled ideas and word salad. He's a dumb asses' idea of a smart guy. Peterson is the ultimate safe space snowflake. I mean, dude thinks non cisheteronormative people who dare demand respect is infringement upon individual freedom and tantamount to fascim. He’s holds a doctorate. I know you think you’re really intellectual, but no. “Noncisheteronormative protofascists. Gtfouttahere here. You must be a real fuckin treat at a cocktail party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Omg! I'm so oppressed! People who aren't exactly like me and fit into neat little boxes are demanding basic respect and dignity!!! Whatever happened to the good old days when I could be an ignorant dipshit and totally get away with it??? And then you have these 'people' who think humanity can do better. These fucks want to ruin everything!!! Better than this??? It's fucking fantastic for me! Why would anyone want to change that? These people are a threat to the very stability of modern society!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Omg! I'm so oppressed! People who aren't exactly like me and fit into neat little boxes are demanding basic respect and dignity!!! Whatever happened to the good old days when I could be an ignorant dipshit and totally get away with it??? And then you have these 'people' who think humanity can do better. These fucks want to ruin everything!!! Better than this??? It's fucking fantastic for me! Why would anyone want to change that? These people are a threat to the very stability of modern society!!! Isn't there a tree somewhere you can cry to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, Zambroski said: My responses in Red. More straight garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Just now, washedupmxer said: Isn't there a tree somewhere you can cry to? No I'm watching Jordan Peterson videos whilst cleaning my room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: No I'm watching Jordan Peterson videos whilst cleaning my room. And looking up different brands of sex robots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 After that I'm going to straighten myself out and rescue my father from the underworld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) And then I'm not going to let my children do anything that makes me dislike them. Edited May 8, 2018 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 So I have a pretty full schedule... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, motonoggin said: More straight garbage. U R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Wildboer said: I mean, not a whole lot, we're not going to bother with Rod and Momo He starts off the video talking about "Utopians" whose goal is a perfect society. This is bullshit, the goal is a better society than the current one, not perfection. He also mentions how 85-90% of the world is worse off than "us" I'm not sure who "us" is here, but I'm assuming he means the capitalist west. This is a wildly qualitative and useless statement. Then he says communism in Russia and China were real because both of them failed. He harps over and over on the dictatorship thing... socialism does not necessitate a dictator. So it's just irrelevant bullshit. I'm not watching the last minute of the video, it's already completely worthless drivel. He's arguing against a false narrative he's invented. It's not socialism, it's his opinion of socialism and his opinion of it is conveniently hinged on utopia and dictatorship. Perhaps youre confused but the very definition of utopia is a near perfect society. What is the context around his reference to utopia? Can you share the conversation? We live in a better society today, by all metrics, where we've gotten over a billion people out of extreme poverty in the last 20 years. Life is FAR better for most people today than 200 years ago when your home boy Marx was on the scene. Even more recently as according to: https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty In Marx time it was maybe the 1% who didn't live in extreme poverty, by 1981 it was estimated 44% of the world lived in extreme poverty and in 2013 it was 11%... 1 thing I've found his detractors get hung up on is the fact the guy choses his words very carefully and you have found yourself trying to interpret what he's said to fit your views and failed to actually listen to him as carefully as you should have if your going to form an opinion and especially if you're going to argue that opinion. I'm certain you've not paraphrased correctly his comments on Russia or Maoist China. I haven't heard his in whatever you're referring to so based on your comments so far, and knowing his position on the history of marxist-lenist dogma, I know definitively what he's suggesting is not what you have interpreted him to have said. Also, you are using terms like socialism and communism interchangeably to explain his position yet he rarely ever refers to socialism and definitely not in the same breath. He has talked about being in favor of a number of socialist philosophies and was at one point an active social Democrat. So it's pretty clear you don't have a lot of time into your argument or understanding what he's said, especially when you kick it off by saying the guy is pseudo intellectual. Pretty hard to take anything you say seriously because of that. 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: Dude, the lobster thing disqualifies everything else he has to say as a supposed intellectual. No one really needs to go further than that. It's like listening to a physics lecture from a dude who tells you that the earth is flat How so? The lobster story is an analogy comparing humans to an animal, something scientists do every single day. Its scientific consensus We evolved from the same cells as crustaceans and he makes a very good case for how the way we act in many ways is a matter of evolution, not social construction. Perhaps it's debatable but to compare it to flat earthers is blatantly ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 12 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said: AvE will drain your time for sure! My work shirt yesterday: Neal My drill press has a case of the speed wobbles. Pretty bad when she is really on the rippums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Killer said: Perhaps youre confused but the very definition of utopia is a near perfect society. What is the context around his reference to utopia? Can you share the conversation? We live in a better society today, by all metrics, where we've gotten over a billion people out of extreme poverty in the last 20 years. Life is FAR better for most people today than 200 years ago when your home boy Marx was on the scene. Even more recently as according to: https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty In Marx time it was maybe the 1% who didn't live in extreme poverty, by 1981 it was estimated 44% of the world lived in extreme poverty and in 2013 it was 11%... 1 thing I've found his detractors get hung up on is the fact the guy choses his words very carefully and you have found yourself trying to interpret what he's said to fit your views and failed to actually listen to him as carefully as you should have if your going to form an opinion and especially if you're going to argue that opinion. I'm certain you've not paraphrased correctly his comments on Russia or Maoist China. I haven't heard his in whatever you're referring to so based on your comments so far, and knowing his position on the history of marxist-lenist dogma, I know definitively what he's suggesting is not what you have interpreted him to have said. Also, you are using terms like socialism and communism interchangeably to explain his position yet he rarely ever refers to socialism and definitely not in the same breath. He has talked about being in favor of a number of socialist philosophies and was at one point an active social Democrat. So it's pretty clear you don't have a lot of time into your argument or understanding what he's said, especially when you kick it off by saying the guy is pseudo intellectual. Pretty hard to take anything you say seriously because of that. How so? The lobster story is an analogy comparing humans to an animal, something scientists do every single day. Its scientific consensus We evolved from the same cells as crustaceans and he makes a very good case for how the way we act in many ways is a matter of evolution, not social construction. Perhaps it's debatable but to compare it to flat earthers is blatantly ignorant. Ugh. SocDems are the fuckin worst. Another clue he's a charlatan. He's attempting to use the existence of heirarchy in lobster society to justify the existence of oppressive heirarchies in human society. This is a naturalistic fallacy/appeal to nature fallacy. It's quite obvious what the guy is trying to do if you look at it objectively. He's rehashing social Darwinism. Edited May 8, 2018 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wildboer Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: My responses in Red. You are officially triggered Zambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: Lets be honest. What this really boils down to is white men crying about the fact that it's becoming socially unacceptable to be a massive dickbag. Sounds like you are as fucked as I am, and after this thread, more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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