Just now, Rod Johnson said:

Sorry to intellectually frustrate you with facts. But it must be done to correct your false line of thinking 

If a large majority of people in this country wanted to shift towards communism politically that would be done without any authoritarian measures. I think you are so fucking dumb you dont even understand what Authoritarian means ......or communism.....or sociopolitical ....or ideological or any of this retarded Jordan Peterson bullshit you are filling your dull normal mind with.

Stick to push rods moron because you are in the deep end of the pool with anything more than two syllables 

3 minutes ago, f7ben said:

If a large majority of people in this country wanted to shift towards communism politically that would be done without any authoritarian measures. I think you are so fucking dumb you dont even understand what Authoritarian means ......or communism.....or sociopolitical ....or ideological or any of this retarded Jordan Peterson bullshit you are filling your dull normal mind with.

Stick to push rods moron because you are in the deep end of the pool with anything more than two syllables 

The large majority even if it is large still becomes the tyranny of the majority through authoritarianism. Unless 100% of the people agree to a shift to communism it has to be implemented through authoritarianism even if one person disagrees with it. That’s why it’s basically impossible to implement what you believe to be communism and all communism practiced throughout history had to be implemented through authoritarianism because logically it just cannot be done any other way.  

I’m not sure why this upsets you but you can keep your fantasies and I’ll just keep the facts and data from the realities of its actual implemention oops

Authority isn't bad, unjustified authority is. 

Anarchist communism doesn't exclude authority, it seeks to limit authority and heirarchy in such a way that it minimizes its infringement upon individual freedom. And when authority and heirarchy are employed, it must only be done with the consent of those who will be subject to that authority or heirarchy.

Just now, motonoggin said:

Authority isn't bad, unjustified authority is. 

Anarchist communism doesn't exclude authority, it seeks to limit authority and heirarchy in such a way that it minimizes its infringement upon individual freedom. And when authority and heirarchy are employed, it must only be done with the consent of those who will be subject to that authority or heirarchy.

Disagree.....all authority inherently oppresses individuals. That is a fact. Whether or not some authority is necessary is another topic but we should be skeptical of all authority and view it in a universally negative light

6 minutes ago, f7ben said:

Disagree.....all authority inherently oppresses individuals. That is a fact. Whether or not some authority is necessary is another topic but we should be skeptical of all authority and view it in a universally negative light

I'm saying the group we all elected that decides where the street signs go, for example, is a justified authority. 

But most governance is local. Some localities may have different authorities for different purposes, as long as these authorities are justified by those they govern, it's all good. That's the way I understand anarchism.

2 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

I'm saying the group we all elected that decides where the street signs go, for example, is a justified authority. 

But most governance is local. Some localities may have different authorities for different purposes, as long as these authorities are justified by those they govern, it's all good. That's the way I understand anarchism.

I agree that governance needs to be more localized. Way too much disconnect between the government and the governed when the feds take over. 

5 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

I'm saying the group we all elected that decides where the street signs go, for example, is a justified authority. 

But most governance is local. Some localities may have different authorities for different purposes, as long as these authorities are justified by those they govern, it's all good. That's the way I understand anarchism.

I wouldnt consider mundane day to day bureaucratic function as "authority" 

I would consider authority as an entity that has the ability to impact someones free choice or quality of life via their bestowed ability to make unilateral decisions 

4 minutes ago, f7ben said:

I wouldnt consider mundane day to day bureaucratic function as "authority" 

I would consider authority as an entity that has the ability to impact someones free choice or quality of life via their bestowed ability to make unilateral decisions 

But the sign committee does have authority, albeit limited to sign placement.

I would consider your example an unjustified authority. Any authority that can deprive you of your natural rights to freedom, peace, and security is almost always unjustified. 

Now, if you as an individual violate another's natural rights, the community will collectively decide what needs to happen in order to remedy the situation. In this example, I would consider the will of the community a justified authority. 

2 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

But the sign committee does have authority, albeit limited to sign placement.

I would consider your example an unjustified authority. Any authority that can deprive you of your natural rights to freedom, peace, and security is almost always unjustified. 

Now, if you as an individual violate another's natural rights, the community will collectively decide what needs to happen in order to remedy the situation. In this example, I would consider the will of the community a justified authority. 

But the collective isnt "authority" .....its the collective.... and as long as there is consensus it needn't be viewed as authority. Authoritarian measures aren't authoritarian until they impact a group of people who disagree with them. IDK.....its complicated to define these things. I'm not advocating for mob rule as that can be an authoritarian situation as well. I think that when everyone as a collective is given a voice and agrees to adhere to the majority decision there need not be any authoritarian measures. Diplomacy over force needs to be the rule of day. Let people with sharp minds and some integrity voice their opinions and then decide collectively. Referendums should be a much larger part of our so called democracy.

1 minute ago, f7ben said:

But the collective isnt "authority" .....its the collective.... and as long as there is consensus it needn't be viewed as authority. Authoritarian measures aren't authoritarian until they impact a group of people who disagree with them. IDK.....its complicated to define these things. I'm not advocating for mob rule as that can be an authoritarian situation as well. I think that when everyone as a collective is given a voice and agrees to adhere to the majority decision there need not be any authoritarian measures. Diplomacy over force needs to be the rule of day. Let people with sharp minds and some integrity voice their opinions and then decide collectively. Referendums should be a much larger part of our so called democracy.

Absolutely. Anarchists often say Anarchy is Order. That's what the O is for around the A in the anarchist symbol. Order without authority. There are rules, but no rulers.

I believe that the best government is self government. Mutual respect and mutual aid lead to mutual prosperity. 

39 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Absolutely. Anarchists often say Anarchy is Order. That's what the O is for around the A in the anarchist symbol. Order without authority. There are rules, but no rulers.

I believe that the best government is self government. Mutual respect and mutual aid lead to mutual prosperity. 

These are tenets that are valuable to subscribe to. People that believe them can work to impact our current situation without the need to blow it all up. Any step in the right direction is of value. Decentralization of power should be the main focus of anyone who values individualism. 

3 hours ago, Wildboer said:

There's a lot of racist gays actually, I'd imagine twink sites have a fair share of that shit.

 

I don't really get triggered by anything short of videos of cops killing innocent dogs or people. The arrogance comes from his belief that his way is the only way.   His opposition aren't just mistaken, they're dangerously wrong. It's the everyone who disagrees with me is super duper fucking wrong part.

i get triggered by more than that...just not here.  

Underlined: Sooo...kinda like most everybody here then?  Actually, like most in the real world too.  Here's the thing about that though, one must be able to have some background on the subject matter and be able to convert cohesive thoughts into words that are just smart enought to draw others attention (assuming at least partial intelligence), but aren't so over the top that no one knows or cares what he is saying anymore.  He does it well.  Not to mention he was intelligent enough to start a quest to try and define what our society is and is becoming at a time when most are increasingly frustrated by the social divides we've been led into over the last decade.  He's not on the Socialist/Communist bandwagon though....so you can hate him and try and discredit him for that (unsuccessfully).  You need your own peeps to counter him..and his thoughts.  

 

44 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

i get triggered by more than that...just not here.  

Underlined: Sooo...kinda like most everybody here then?  Actually, like most in the real world too.  Here's the thing about that though, one must be able to have some background on the subject matter and be able to convert cohesive thoughts into words that are just smart enought to draw others attention (assuming at least partial intelligence), but aren't so over the top that no one knows or cares what he is saying anymore.  He does it well.  Not to mention he was intelligent enough to start a quest to try and define what our society is and is becoming at a time when most are increasingly frustrated by the social divides we've been led into over the last decade.  He's not on the Socialist/Communist bandwagon though....so you can hate him and try and discredit him for that (unsuccessfully).  You need your own peeps to counter him..and his thoughts.  

 

The ignorant are the only ones who are frustrated with the progress we’ve made socially.  You refer to it as divide because you’re ignorant.   The educated refer to it as acceptance becasie we are smart, secure, and comfortable with ourselves.  Fuckers like you ooze insecurity, stupidity, and ignorance.  

Tell us more about your research.......Prolapski......    

12 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

The ignorant are the only ones who are frustrated with the progress we’ve made socially.  You refer to it as divide because you’re ignorant.   The educated refer to it as acceptance becasie we are smart, secure, and comfortable with ourselves.  Fuckers like you ooze insecurity, stupidity, and ignorance.  

Tell us more about your research.......Prolapski......    

What are you talking about poor little triggered clown?  Whew....another massive bruising on the intrawebs again today for you, eh? 

There is absolutely no facet of the real world in which you can compete with me.  Most certainly not on the education front.  

You are an Obama disciple.  Laughable.

”aggressive liberal”.  

 

1 hour ago, Zambroski said:

i get triggered by more than that...just not here.  

Underlined: Sooo...kinda like most everybody here then?  Actually, like most in the real world too.  Here's the thing about that though, one must be able to have some background on the subject matter and be able to convert cohesive thoughts into words that are just smart enought to draw others attention (assuming at least partial intelligence), but aren't so over the top that no one knows or cares what he is saying anymore.  He does it well.  Not to mention he was intelligent enough to start a quest to try and define what our society is and is becoming at a time when most are increasingly frustrated by the social divides we've been led into over the last decade.  He's not on the Socialist/Communist bandwagon though....so you can hate him and try and discredit him for that (unsuccessfully).  You need your own peeps to counter him..and his thoughts.  

 

He's over the top enough that only conservatives give him the time of day...

Also that was a lot of words to use in order to say nothing. 

Edited May 9, 20188 yr by Wildboer

2 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

He's over the top enough that only conservatives give him the time of day... 

You are giving conservatives (and most people) too much credit.  I’d say most of his views are probably over the heads of half the population.  Not that he’s that much smarter, it’s just most have already made up their minds what they think and how they think it.  They aren’t interested in viewpoints that threaten their cemented thoughts.  There’s just enough substance in his quick vids that most can grab on to and spew around incorrectly for their own little soapbox needs.  Righties and lefties alike.

18 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

You are giving conservatives (and most people) too much credit.  I’d say most of his views are probably over the heads of half the population.  Not that he’s that much smarter, it’s just most have already made up their minds what they think and how they think it.  They aren’t interested in viewpoints that threaten their cemented thoughts.  There’s just enough substance in his quick vids that most can grab on to and spew around incorrectly for their own little soapbox needs.  Righties and lefties alike.

You realize his audience is people who already agree with what he's saying right? They just like hearing it repeated in big words because it validates their beliefs. He's essentially a word salad machine.

7 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

You realize his audience is people who already agree with what he's saying right? They just like hearing it repeated in big words because it validates their beliefs. He's essentially a word salad machine.

Actually he’s very educated and backs his teachings up with actual research 

29 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said:

 

5 hours ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

Shut the fuck up hahaha. You fucking loser. You keep going back to this respect for officers thing... You get that there is an interservice rivalry between NCOs and Officers right? At the end of the day and trash talking we do, we all served together and had each other’s backs. Always. You’d know this and not be spewing nonsense that is inaccurate if you had served. I love when little balding bitches who dreamed of it tell people how they should act whilst in. My service record was impeccable and never included anything resembling a lack of respect to officers. Stay in your lane and dream about it. I did it. Now hold my pocket hahaha. 

And why do I owe you respect?

Because I never disrespected you, or any of your opinions, until ou jumped ugly with me when you misinterpreted an opinion I had about our foreign policy.  You puffed up like mini Rambo and assumed I was all too happy to send young men and women off to die, which is bullshit.  Ever since you've been a smarmy little cocksucker.  And I'd tell you that to your face.  i have nothing but respect for anyone who served.  But congratulations, you're my first exception.

13 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

You realize his audience is people who already agree with what he's saying right? They just like hearing it repeated in big words because it validates their beliefs. He's essentially a word salad machine.

Stop this.  You are starting to dissappoint me with drivel like this.  

5 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said:

Actually he’s very educated and backs his teachings up with actual research 

I think he is pretty regarded.

 

4 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

 

Did you see that vice news was all pissy about people making memes from this vid  

Just now, Rod Johnson said:

Did you see that vice news was all pissy about people making memes from this vid  

No I didn't. There's lots of hidden symbolism in it though. 

Just now, Rod Johnson said:

Did you see that vice news was all pissy about people making memes from this vid