Snoslinger Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 are you sure this is a DNR problem and not a club problem? not sure how it works in MN but here it's usually the club with the problem, like groomers being down or something else. didn't you guys get a late start as well? you shouldn't be out of funds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 here we pay $45 to register each sled, provided you joined a club, which cost $35 per family if I'm not mistaken. if you don't join a club, then you pay $100 to register each sled. so the club uses that money for things, and they also get reimbursements for grooming per mile, from the state. I think this is how it all works, maybe some of the NY club groomers can respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: are you sure this is a DNR problem and not a club problem? not sure how it works in MN but here it's usually the club with the problem, like groomers being down or something else. didn't you guys get a late start as well? you shouldn't be out of funds. It really a convoluted mess.....the DNR does groom as well as provide money to the clubs. Club membership in MN is from what I've seen not near as strong as other states and the DNR is ultimately responsible. They collect funds and disperse funds and when there is no snow I would assume the money is reallocated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, snoughnut said: No that would be you, I make perfect sense. No...you are a fucking idiot....read the following in a caveman voice you fucking idiot and understand that is how you sound "Something bad happening in State...derp derp.....Must be liberals or democrats ...DERP DERP" ^^^^ that is literally how fucking stupid you are 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: It really a convoluted mess.....the DNR does groom as well as provide money to the clubs. Club membership in MN is from what I've seen not near as strong as other states and the DNR is ultimately responsible. They collect funds and disperse funds and when there is no snow I would assume the money is reallocated. yeah I know it's frustrating as all hell when there's snow and bad grooming. you should see tug hill here in NY, although nobody could keep up with that place at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Snoslinger said: yeah I know it's frustrating as all hell when there's snow and bad grooming. you should see tug hill here in NY, although nobody could keep up with that place at times. All I ask is that after several bad years when we do get good snow that the effort is shown. The state doesnt refund our fucking money in low snow years when they do 0 grooming. The least they could do is put some real effort in when we do have good snow. It has snowed almost 30" up there in the last week......they should have been grooming daily to whip the trails into midseason form....instead they did almost nothing and now what could have been a great base is a fucking mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: No...you are a fucking idiot....read the following in a caveman voice you fucking idiot and understand that is how you sound "Something bad happening in State...derp derp.....Must be liberals or democrats ...DERP DERP" ^^^^ that is literally how fucking stupid you are Settle down you fucking idiot before you have a stroke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, snoughnut said: Settle down you fucking idiot before you have a stroke. I nearly stroked out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted February 27, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted February 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: yeah I know it's frustrating as all hell when there's snow and bad grooming. you should see tug hill here in NY, although nobody could keep up with that place at times. Yeah that place can get BRUTAL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Kivalo said: Yeah that place can get BRUTAL! No excuse in MN.....its sees very little sled traffic compared to much of the midewest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted February 27, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: No excuse in MN.....its sees very little sled traffic compared to much of the midewest If you pay for it the service should be provided. A few years ago in NY they tried to commandeer the trail fund for some bullshit and the clubs all raised holy hell to get it back. Its fucking bullshit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: All I ask is that after several bad years when we do get good snow that the effort is shown. The state doesnt refund our fucking money in low snow years when they do 0 grooming. The least they could do is put some real effort in when we do have good snow. It has snowed almost 30" up there in the last week......they should have been grooming daily to whip the trails into midseason form....instead they did almost nothing and now what could have been a great base is a fucking mess That right there is BS, what they should be doing is giving a credit on the following year registration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, snoughnut said: That right there is BS, what they should be doing is giving a credit on the following year registration. they just blow the money elsewhere......there is no government in the world that routinely gives you back what you paid when they fail to provide the service you paid for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted February 27, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, snoughnut said: Everything you're describing sounds like you have libtards running that state, $113.50 per sled and you're trails are bumpy? Where's the money being spent? Wrong guess dummy, then again Wisconsin and most clubs do a great job with grooming and a good club president knows how to go after the money, remind me to never ride in Minnesota. Do you even ride brotato chip? Edited February 27, 2018 by Jimmy Snacks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Do you even ride brotato chip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01mxz800 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 14 hours ago, Snoslinger said: here we pay $45 to register each sled, provided you joined a club, which cost $35 per family if I'm not mistaken. if you don't join a club, then you pay $100 to register each sled. so the club uses that money for things, and they also get reimbursements for grooming per mile, from the state. I think this is how it all works, maybe some of the NY club groomers can respond. yes it is $45 to register a sled if you are a member of a club, $100 if you are not. ALL monies for registraitions whether it is $45 or the $100 except for $5, which goes to the DMV for processing fees, goes into the general trail fund administered by the Office of NY parks and historical places from which clubs are reimbursed for trail work, materials such as signs and grooming expences, which we have to keep close tabs on. grooming rates are based on what class groomer is involved and trail type, corridor or secondary, we have to have GPS in our groomers for proof that the groomers are actually moving, I have to check to see if it is working before I head out to groom, and if they are not moving then they don't get paid, we added 30 miles to our system this year which won't get funding until next year which cost us but it is what it is. NO taxpayer money is involved in NY trails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 28, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 28, 2018 14 hours ago, f7ben said: All I ask is that after several bad years when we do get good snow that the effort is shown. The state doesnt refund our fucking money in low snow years when they do 0 grooming. The least they could do is put some real effort in when we do have good snow. It has snowed almost 30" up there in the last week......they should have been grooming daily to whip the trails into midseason form....instead they did almost nothing and now what could have been a great base is a fucking mess Can't argue with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 28, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, 01mxz800 said: yes it is $45 to register a sled if you are a member of a club, $100 if you are not. ALL monies for registraitions whether it is $45 or the $100 except for $5, which goes to the DMV for processing fees, goes into the general trail fund administered by the Office of NY parks and historical places from which clubs are reimbursed for trail work, materials such as signs and grooming expences, which we have to keep close tabs on. grooming rates are based on what class groomer is involved and trail type, corridor or secondary, we have to have GPS in our groomers for proof that the groomers are actually moving, I have to check to see if it is working before I head out to groom, and if they are not moving then they don't get paid, we added 30 miles to our system this year which won't get funding until next year which cost us but it is what it is. NO taxpayer money is involved in NY trails Do you still have to register at DMV if they are open ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 15 hours ago, jammin said: I've heard they are among the best maintained trails in the Midwest? What gives? He’s never ridden the Hurley/Wakefield trail. The local club up there is called the iron county ass packers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01mxz800 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Do you still have to register at DMV if they are open ? yes unless you ride only on privite property, all sleds must be registered to be on state trails and they have been cracking down on that, no insurance and loud pipes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 28, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 28, 2018 I remember riding there yrs ago and wanting to reg at hotel. They said they can't sell reg during hrs DMV was open. Only after they closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Do like I do and register your sled in Wisconsin. They do a great job maintaining their trails. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 28, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: I remember riding there yrs ago and wanting to reg at hotel. They said they can't sell reg during hrs DMV was open. Only after they closed You can register online and print out a temporary registration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted February 28, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 28, 2018 17 hours ago, washedupmxer said: In Michigan they took sled permit money and spent it on fucking bike trails. I was changing a chain-case out in the parking lot of dans polaris in houghton once, the groomer idled in the parking lot the 3.5 hours we were there. Anyone want to bet they getting paid for grooming while it sat? And then the bikers , roller bladers etc complain that the new blacktop trail has marks in it so they try and get the sleds banned from using the trail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 35 minutes ago, spin_dry said: He’s never ridden the Hurley/Wakefield trail. The local club up there is called the iron county ass packers. You have incorrect information- It's White Thunder Riders Iron County is the heart of excellent snowmobiling with trails connecting with the U.P. of Michigan, Vilas, Price and Ashland Counties. The Iron County Forestry Department, along with the White Thunder Riders and the Mercer Sno Goers groom 304 miles through some of the most scenic trails in the country. You can mosey through the Penokee Range, wind up on the railroad grade or enjoy your view through the forest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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