Crnr2Crnr Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, HSR said: TBH I think you'll find out. Everytime one of these "incidents" happen public opinion on gun control gains strength. The friends and family of all the victims in these are calling for change, the longer they continue, the bigger the voice will become until pro gun owners will be the minority. The abuses of second amendment rights will be it's own undoing. You can't continue to kill your own innocent people and not expect repercussions eventually. I'm glad it's not an issue up here and the need to carry a sidearm isn't needed to feel safe. never in my life have I felt the need to carry a firearm or have one readily accessible to feel safe... and I've been in nearly every corner of the country. do I have firearms? sure. there's others that don't, and I know a few of em quite well. last night's tragedy could happen daily here in the US and nothing would change. younger generations who've grown up doing active shooter drills their entire lives... they're the ones most likely to push for a change in the laws 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted October 26, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 minute ago, ckf said: My father in law probably has over a hundred. He collects older Savage and Winchester lever action rifles. They aren't there to make him feel safe. He has shotguns and pistols for that, lol. For me I have mostly.22 caliber long guns because I used to enjoy long distance target shooting. I have a double barrel shotgun for protection. I have never been into pistols but I still have my mother's 38 special that she always had in her nightstand somewhere around here. Youre missing the point. Do you keep your long guns on your kitchen counter just in case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted October 26, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, J. Jackson said: This is where anti gun people don't understand most gun owners. I have a number of guns and have people that I know have A LOT of firearms. I along with many have one or two for self defense period. The others for hunting and recreational shooting. Many gun owners have firearms that have historical value or dollar value that are never taken out of a case or safe. No different than coins or stamps etc. Some guns are pieces of art that you wouldn't shoot. I know of no one who would use their firearm against a human in anything other than a self defense situation. Someone probably said the same thing about Robert Card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckf Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Just now, Steve753 said: Youre missing the point. Do you keep your long guns on your kitchen counter just in case? No, I have a 12 gauge beside the bed. I personally don't carry, but I have no issue with law abiding citizens that chooses to do so. Obviously criminals aren't going to follow the laws anyway. Like I said earlier, I don't know what the answer is. I just don't see many Americans giving up their guns without a fight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted October 26, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 33 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Dumb comparison. Your entitled..........to your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckf Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Someone probably said the same thing about Robert Card. Yes, but there are laws in place that could have helped stop Card. They weren't acted upon. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted October 26, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Youre missing the point. Do you keep your long guns on your kitchen counter just in case? So what if someone does? Is that any of your business Nope! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted October 26, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 Just now, ckf said: No, I have a 12 gauge beside the bed. I personally don't carry, but I have no issue with law abiding citizens that chooses to do so. Obviously criminals aren't going to follow the laws anyway. Like I said earlier, I don't know what the answer is. I just don't see many Americans giving up their guns without a fight. Id say maybe slightly more than a quarter of the country would have that attitude. Times are changing fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat45 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Just now, ckf said: Yes, but there are laws in place that could have helped stop Card. They weren't acted upon. See that's the problem, we don't enforce the laws we already have then want to make more. The only 1 this affects is the law abiding citizen. The crazies and criminals don't care about the law. It's already illegal to murder someone and that has 0 impact on these types of people 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted October 26, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, ckf said: Yes, but there are laws in place that could have helped stop Card. They weren't acted upon. Get rid of the gun and theres no need for any of that. Again it works in other countries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted October 26, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Get rid of the gun and theres no need for any of that. Again it works in other countries. How the fuck are you going to get rid of the guns Sthevie the expert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 20 minutes ago, HSR said: You've stated before that you feel safer going for a jug of milk with a gun in the glove box I've also never heard of you saying you spent a day "playing at the range with the boys" ??? Not even in the dinner thread Go back and find that post please - thank you. 18 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Thats a weak argument. Do enthusiasts carry a side arm just to show off their gun? Nice goal post move, internet hero. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 21 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Golly you really showed me with such intelligent insight. Your intelligence is failing by not seeing the truth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 51 minutes ago, SnowRider said: You should go swimming in a septic tank today I avoid swimming where liberal ideas end up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 minute ago, EvilBird said: How the fuck are you going to get rid of the guns Sthevie the expert? Do you think that ANY action is warranted at all or just continue with the status quo? No big deal??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted October 26, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 Steve's a Cop . Gotta be. Laws for thee not for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted October 26, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 Just now, HSR said: Do you think that ANY action is warranted at all or just continue with the status quo? No big deal??? Id like the laws on the books used and mental health taken more seriously for starters . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted October 26, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Id say maybe slightly more than a quarter of the country would have that attitude. Times are changing fast. C’mon man - young people shouldn’t expect the price of freedom to be active shooter drills in school…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted October 26, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, SnowRider said: C’mon man - young people shouldn’t expect the price of freedom to be active shooter drills in school…. Fire drills are bad too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Get rid of the gun and theres no need for any of that. Again it works in other countries. Guns have been plentiful in the USA for a long time. Something in the last 25 - 30 years has changed in regards to mass shootings. You have to be mentally ill and evil to kill another human being regardless of the means. You refuse to see the real problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted October 26, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 minute ago, SnowRider said: C’mon man - young people shouldn’t expect the price of freedom to be active shooter drills in school…. Pretty fucking sad when a kid has to worry about that kind of bullshit. But here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted October 26, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 Just now, snoughnut said: Guns have been plentiful in the USA for a long time. Something in the last 25 - 30 years has changed in regards to mass shootings. You have to be mentally ill and evil to kill another human being regardless of the means. You refuse to see the real problem. No you refuse to see the real problem and all you have for debating it is silly excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 On 7/10/2023 at 2:26 PM, Bontz said: , it's living in fear by anyone who has a permit to carry their gun (but only keeps it in their vehicle). Good thing some people stay in Canada, I guess. 8 minutes ago, Bontz said: Go back and find that post please - thank you. Here ya go bud If there is anything else I can assist you with, don't be scared to ask, it's why I'm here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted October 26, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Steve753 said: No you refuse to see the real problem and all you have for debating it is silly excuses. Steve how are you going to remove all the guns from the Country. Seriously explain to me. Do you realize we have more Guns than People? Edited October 26, 2023 by EvilBird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, snoughnut said: Guns have been plentiful in the USA for a long time. Something in the last 25 - 30 years has changed in regards to mass shootings. You have to be mentally ill and evil to kill another human being regardless of the means. You refuse to see the real problem. I think the real issue is nobody can agree on what the actual problem is. That would be step number one. Until that step is made there will be no solutions. It will continue to be the same old finger pointing for another 25-30 years. It's always some else's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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