Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted September 11, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 11, 2023 Just now, steve from amherst said: You will probably just see more manufacturers opening more southern plants. Like ford city in Tenn And Mexico so they don’t have to deal with the UAW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted September 11, 2023 Author Share Posted September 11, 2023 30 minutes ago, EvilBird said: You're thread sucks just like you. Jeep is junk. Maybe they should build a decent vehicle so they can make profits and can pay their workers a decent living wage. Its not the workers faults any more than Its globalists and greedy pricks. Everything you voted for the past 20 years. The Japanese you hate sure can build a good off road vehicle. Its too bad Democrats destroyed Detroit. Another angry reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted September 12, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted September 12, 2023 Just now, Mainecat said: Another angry reply. You wish you made me angry. Its fun to laugh at your hypocrisy and stupidity. Vote for Democrats then complain about their failures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted September 12, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Another angry reply. 3 minutes ago, EvilBird said: You wish you made me angry. Its fun to laugh at your hypocrisy and stupidity. Vote for Democrats then complain about their failures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, steve from amherst said: Was wondering that myself. At 4 yrs they max out at under $20 an hr. Round here $20 an hr gets you a dummy with no wheels. You can find temps for $20/hr? That is nuts. Every agency we work with charges a minimum of $65/hr, more like $85+/hr with any kind of background. $65/hr might get us someone who shows up for 1/2 their first day before they dip or are stoned out of the gourd at lunch, or drunk. $85/hr they might stick around for a month or two before they dip for a week to go to the casino or on a bender or something. What they are paying the people hourly, I don't know, but they must make bank. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeeter21i Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 hours ago, spin_dry said: No. It’s going to give them a living wage. No, it's going to force employers to look harder to find ways to automate the manufacturing process and eliminate more employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Unions need to go. They are the ones fucking the wages up. If you don't want to work that job for what they pay then don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted September 12, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2023 6 hours ago, Deephaven said: Unions need to go. They are the ones fucking the wages up. If you don't want to work that job for what they pay then don't. Actually more people need to be paid union wages - not fewer How come wages for average workers haven’t kept pace with executive salaries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted September 12, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted September 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Actually more people need to be paid union wages - not fewer How come wages for average workers haven’t kept pace with executive salaries? Because workers are not executives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 12, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2023 10 hours ago, racinfarmer said: You can find temps for $20/hr? That is nuts. Every agency we work with charges a minimum of $65/hr, more like $85+/hr with any kind of background. $65/hr might get us someone who shows up for 1/2 their first day before they dip or are stoned out of the gourd at lunch, or drunk. $85/hr they might stick around for a month or two before they dip for a week to go to the casino or on a bender or something. What they are paying the people hourly, I don't know, but they must make bank. Not thru a temp agency. Im talking a schuk off the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, SnowRider said: Actually more people need to be paid union wages - not fewer If people want to get paid more they should do what is required to stand out in their job, excel and move up. Unions are disgusting and wasteful. Super in efficient, just like big government. Waste of money. The auto union single handedly destroyed the American auto manufacturers. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 14 hours ago, spin_dry said: What’s wrong with using numbers of a collective group to persuade change? It’s been a human trait for millennia. You praised toyota, are they unionized? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 2 hours ago, racer254 said: You praised toyota, are they unionized? Toyota treats workers to a very appreciable benefit package. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 13 hours ago, Skeeter21i said: No, it's going to force employers to look harder to find ways to automate the manufacturing process and eliminate more employees. They'll do that anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Toyota treats workers to a very appreciable benefit package. What does that include? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, racer254 said: What does that include? Google is your friend, friendo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Google is your friend, friendo. Figured you were making it up just to protect your stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Toyota treats workers to a very appreciable benefit package. Even Toyota is fully onboard with automation. The cost/benefit means in a year or two the robot has paid for itself. Look around, it's happening in many industries. I try very hard to avoid self checkout, the food apps etc, but it is becoming more and more difficult. 2 people at the checkout and 10 self serve kiosks. Do a job a machine can't replace is my only advice. Edited September 12, 2023 by Voodoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Voodoo said: Even Toyota is fully onboard with automation. The cost/benefit means in a year or two the robot has paid for itself. Look around, it's happening in many industries. I try very hard to avoid self checkout, the food apps etc, but it is becoming more and more difficult. 2 people at the checkout and 10 self serve kiosks. Do a job a machine can't replace is my only advice. Very true. Technology and automation never stops. Labor is the #1 cost of a company. iPhones will soon be mfg with zero labor as robots begin working on smaller nanometer levels. Saying that worker demands cause this is ridiculous. Every company tries to increase margins regardless of employee demands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 34 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Very true. Technology and automation never stops. Labor is the #1 cost of a company. iPhones will soon be mfg with zero labor as robots begin working on smaller nanometer levels. Saying that worker demands cause this is ridiculous. Every company tries to increase margins regardless of employee demands. 100k is a round number for a robot to replace a loading dock worker, similar number for a warehouse picker or packer. Not that simple if the work is done by 10 and it’s a multi million dollar pick and pack facility, but as new facilities get built it makes sense especially given the shortage of labour There is a new facility, grocery distribution being constructed to replace an older facility. The new facility is highly automated, the equivalent of two of the older facility in terms of production. The older facility had 3000 people, the new one will have 500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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