sleepybrew Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Well not unless you actually smoke them. just like guns, hurt no one unless you shoot them 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, sleepybrew said: just like guns, hurt no one unless you shoot them Someone else smoking can't kill you instantly. Someone shooting you with a gun can though. It's a ridiculous comparison on your part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 29 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Correct , school type shooters suffer from low self esteem / worthlessness. Criminal types dont value / respect life. How do we change that? There’s not a clear way that I see. Every solution delves into an authoritarian control scenario. Rights/freedoms will be taken away to reduce violence. I don’t see that happening in the near term. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, Cold War said: Its hard for people to get around guns don’t kill on their own and there have always been easy/ easier access to guns, yet the school/ mass shooting is a relatively new epidemic. So, I think logically one would ask…what has changed? I wouldn’t say it’s relatively new, it’s decades and decades old. One thing that has changed is the ease of ability to get semi-automatic weapons and ammunition. The sheer amount of options is impressive. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) My in-law's tried to corner me with the mass shooting debate Saturday night. They are lifelong democrats who are far from hardcore left wing. Ending up a nice discussion that I steered away from the gun issue as I knew that is where they wanted it to go and they know my position on them. Whatever the reason and I'm sure their are many but as a society we have less respect for life than maybe anytime in our history. Ties in with us becoming weaker and weaker mentally. Everyone's a victim these days. Too many people don't want to just die but want notoriety in doing so. Edited February 21, 2023 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Avoiding mass shootings is easy. Don’t go where and when a lot of people congregate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Avoiding mass shootings is easy. Don’t go where and when a lot of people congregate. Pretty much. That being said , one who isnt involved in criminal activity has quite a small chance of being a victom of gun violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Avoiding mass shootings is easy. Don’t go where and when a lot of people congregate. So people should home school their children you're saying? Edited February 21, 2023 by Steve753 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepybrew Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 42 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Someone else smoking can't kill you instantly. Someone shooting you with a gun can though. It's a ridiculous comparison on your part. over 400k a year die. no not instantly. but if we are preventing deaths, that would be a good way to start. we are talking about deaths right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, sleepybrew said: over 400k a year die. no not instantly. but if we are preventing deaths, that would be a good way to start. we are talking about deaths right? No killings. One chooses to smoke,, one does not choose to get shot in a mass shooting. A person could argue smoking has been part of your "culture" as long as guns. Can't fuck with culture Also not many kids dying from smoking so there is that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, sleepybrew said: over 400k a year die. no not instantly. but if we are preventing deaths, that would be a good way to start. we are talking about deaths right? Suicide and murder are vastly separate issues. One has the right to smoke/drink/eat themselves into a deadly situation, one does not have the right to put another in the same situation. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, HSR said: No killings. One chooses to smoke,, one does not choose to get shot in a mass shooting. A person could argue smoking has been part of your "culture" as long as guns. Can't fuck with culture Also not many kids dying from smoking so there is that too. Some don't see the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 976 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, NaturallyAspirated said: I wouldn’t say it’s relatively new, it’s decades and decades old. One thing that has changed is the ease of ability to get semi-automatic weapons and ammunition. The sheer amount of options is impressive. Neal I never even thought about my kids being shot at school. No actual shootings, but in the last few years there has probably been 20 threats at the HS they attended. Zero threats for the 4 years I attended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spin_dry Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Steve753 said: So people should home school their children you're saying? That’s an option. If parents have the skill to teach and ability to properly socialize children. Unfortunately many parents that do home school have poor skills. I have some family members that home school their kids and they have social delays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, steve from amherst said: Pretty much. That being said , one who isnt involved in criminal activity has quite a small chance of being a victom of gun violence. The risk of being a victim of violent crime is dependent on where you hang your hat. Unfortunately a lot of people don’t have a choice to get up and leave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Ban Vehicles: 42,915 people A statistical projection of traffic fatalities for 2021 shows that an estimated 42,915 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes nationwide. This represents an increase of about 10.5 percent as compared to 38,824 fatalities reported in 2020, as shown in Table 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, XCR1250 said: Ban Vehicles: 42,915 people A statistical projection of traffic fatalities for 2021 shows that an estimated 42,915 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes nationwide. This represents an increase of about 10.5 percent as compared to 38,824 fatalities reported in 2020, as shown in Table 1. What are the numbers for vehicular manslaughter? The discussion is not about accidental mass shootings.Nobody trips and falls down and accidentally shoots ten people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, spin_dry said: That’s an option. If parents have the skill to teach and ability to properly socialize children. Unfortunately many parents that do home school have poor skills. I have some family members that home school their kids and they have social delays. Always wondered how socialy retarded home schooled kids were. School is a lot more then just math and science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, HSR said: What are the numbers for vehicular manslaughter? The discussion is not about accidental mass shootings. correct , it isnt. Yet a lot more then 1/2 of those collisions resulting in death are avoidable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 976 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) Could have been much worse if the person drove down the sidewalk......... Bad people will do bad things to hurt or kill one way or another....... Edited February 21, 2023 by Jerry 976 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, XCR1250 said: Ban Vehicles: 42,915 people A statistical projection of traffic fatalities for 2021 shows that an estimated 42,915 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes nationwide. This represents an increase of about 10.5 percent as compared to 38,824 fatalities reported in 2020, as shown in Table 1. You're missing the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, Steve753 said: You're missing the point. Nope, I'm not, guns don't kill people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, XCR1250 said: Nope, I'm not, guns don't kill people. Yes you are. Guns do kill people. If guns didn't exist people wouldn't be killed by them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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