Guest Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Cold War said: No one really wants a honest discussion. That seems to be the case. It also seems there is no middle ground for some people. Change is hard for people to accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cold War said: . No one really wants a honest discussion. That is the core of the problem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 In this American town, guns are required by law By Omar Jimenez, CNN Video Ad Feedback This city requires residents to own a gun 01:10 - Source: CNN CNN — As the debate over guns continues in Washington and in communities across the country, there’s at least one place where owning a gun is technically required by law. In Kennesaw, Georgia, local law says that “every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm.” “If you’re going to commit a crime in Kennesaw and you’re the criminal – are you going to take a chance that that homeowner is a law-abiding citizen?” asked Kennesaw Mayor Derek Easterling. Wayne Arnold is one of those citizens. Among the weapons he keeps at home are an AR-15-style .223 caliber rifle, a variety of handguns and more. “It gives me the ability to protect myself as opposed to being somewhere where you weren’t allowed to have a firearm or it was frowned upon,” said Arnold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, steve from amherst said: Do you truely beleive that if there were no guns people who want to kill would not seek out other meathods ? Steve he/ him Certainly not to the degree guns make available. The ability to inflict harm is clearly astronomically higher with firearms than any other tool/weapon. Do you truly believe we wouldn’t see a decrease in mass killings if all guns suddenly vanished? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Edmo said: The guy that shot up all those kids at Michigan state was caught carrying without a permit 4 years ago. Felony charge bargained down to a misdemeanor? WTF? With a felony charge he wouldn’t have been able to get a gun legally. We keep letting these guys walk and this is what you get. Duh, more crime. It’s a hard road for sure. People don’t want rights taken away. It’s a natural condition. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, XCR1250 said: That's way law-abiding folks should be armed. Sure, but that only increases gun violence. The chances of gun violence increases with more people carrying firearms. It’s not a black box man. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Certainly not to the degree guns make available. The ability to inflict harm is clearly astronomically higher with firearms than any other tool/weapon. Do you truly believe we wouldn’t see a decrease in mass killings if all guns suddenly vanished? Neal Yes you would see a decrease. In fact for the first few months it would probably be a substantial decrease . Thing is guns are not going to suddenly vanish anymore then fruitloops and criminals are going to suddenly vanish. But these are the conversations people do want to have because a serious one that may or may not produce results is something everyone seems to want to avoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Cold War said: I think if we can call people out for saying thoughts and prayers we can call also call others out on meaningless word salad, ignoring urban gun violence,ignoring mental illness, and talking about changing voting laws. No one really wants a honest discussion. Indeed, I agree. No one wants to realize that giving up guns, or placing huge restrictions on guns will help curb the problem. Those rights are not even considered. There isn’t a single path that will fix our gun violence problem, and there doesn’t seem to be much interest to solve the problem. We just want to ignore it and hope the numbers go down . Neal Edited February 21, 2023 by NaturallyAspirated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Sure, but that only increases gun violence. The chances of gun violence increases with more people carrying firearms. It’s not a black box man. Neal Seek help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Yes you would see a decrease. In fact for the first few months it would probably be a substantial decrease . Thing is guns are not going to suddenly vanish anymore then fruitloops and criminals are going to suddenly vanish. But these are the conversations people do want to have because a serious one that may or may not produce results is something everyone seems to want to avoid. I agree that guns will not vanish, I don’t think we have any viable paths to fix our issue presently. We would have to deploy a large anti-gun/red flag/see something(gun) say something society. Basically do a 1984 on guns, and that isn’t going to happen. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, XCR1250 said: Seek help. For what? Telling you the cold facts of reality? Go on living in dreamland man…. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: For what? Telling you the cold facts of reality? Go on living in dreamland man…. Neal Heck you've been living there most of your life.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: I agree that guns will not vanish, I don’t think we have any viable paths to fix our issue presently. We would have to deploy a large anti-gun/red flag/see something(gun) say something society. Basically do a 1984 on guns, and that isn’t going to happen. Neal Correct , that being said if the gvmt is willing to spend 3 million $ studying why bugs fuck, maybe try to figure out why Americans are facscinated with killing each other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, XCR1250 said: Heck you've been living there most of your life.. Ad hominem isn’t going to help your case. Grow up. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: Ad hominem isn’t going to help your case. Grow up. Neal You need help asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: Correct , that being said if the gvmt is willing to spend 3 million $ studying why bugs fuck, maybe try to figure out why Americans are facscinated with killing each other. There are a multitude of reasons, it’s not mysterious, I don’t believe. “Thoughts and prayers” and “discipline your kids!” isn’t going to make any advancements though, that’s clear. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, XCR1250 said: You need help asap. You are senile. Good grief. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: You are senile. Good grief. Neal Yes you are senile, please seek professional help, you're a nut case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: There are a multitude of reasons, it’s not mysterious, I don’t believe. “Thoughts and prayers” and “discipline your kids!” isn’t going to make any advancements though, that’s clear. Neal Correct , school type shooters suffer from low self esteem / worthlessness. Criminal types dont value / respect life. How do we change that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Indeed, I agree. No one wants to realize that giving up guns, or placing huge restrictions on guns will help curb the problem. Those rights are not even considered. There isn’t a single path that will fix our gun violence problem, and there doesn’t seem to be much interest to solve the problem. We just want to ignore it and hope the numbers go down . Neal Its hard for people to get around guns don’t kill on their own and there have always been easy/ easier access to guns, yet the school/ mass shooting is a relatively new epidemic. So, I think logically one would ask…what has changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepybrew Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Steve753 said: If you're shopping in Walmart can a cigarette kill you? if you buy some yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Cold War said: Its hard for people to get around guns don’t kill on their own and there have always been easy/ easier access to guns, yet the school/ mass shooting is a relatively new epidemic. So, I think logically one would ask…what has changed? One thing that has changed is social media. When I was in school the kids that got bullied got it for 6 hrs a day max. Now it never ends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, sleepybrew said: if you buy some yes Well not unless you actually smoke them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, steve from amherst said: One thing that has changed is social media. When I was in school the kids that got bullied got it for 6 hrs a day max. Now it never ends Yup! Along with instant fame. The first thing the Oxford shooter wanted was access to social media to see what people were saying about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 21, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Cold War said: Yup! Along with instant fame. The first thing the Oxford shooter wanted was access to social media to see what people were saying about him. That is why the media shouldnt name these people. They should be called the POS loser with no life who was a waste of oxogen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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