What's up with that Ohio train derailment

[spin_dry]

2 hours ago, Sleepr2 said:

Californias policy’s created their problems. 

As did the people that built their homes near a rail line that they knew carried hazardous chemicals. 

[Skidooski]

3 minutes ago, spin_dry said:

What goes around comes around. I don’t make the rules. This is just the way it is. 

Your right...Apelles and oranges goes around a lot in here

[spin_dry]

Just now, Skidooski said:

Your right...Apelles and oranges goes around a lot in here

The GOP has for years supported less federal regulation by turning it over to the states. So yeah….

A similar type of catastrophe occurred in Jersey with the exact same chemical. Didn’t hear much about that because the damage occurred in a poverty stricken, minority neighborhood. I found that to be interesting. 

[Snake]

46 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Your just as fuckin blind

Billing Code: 4910-60-P
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration
49 CFR Parts 171, 172, 173, 174, and 179
[Docket No. PHMSA-2012-0082 (HM-251)]
RIN 2137-AE91
Hazardous Materials: Enhanced Tank Car Standards and Operational Controls for High-Hazard Flammable Trains

DATES: Effective date: This final rule is effective [INSERT DATE 60 DAYS AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER].
Incorporation by reference date: The incorporation by reference of the publication listed in this rule is approved by the Director of the Federal Register as of [INSERT DATE 60 DAYS AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER].
ADDRESSES: You may find information on this rulemaking (Docket No. PHMSA-2012-0082) at Federal eRulmaking Portal: http://www.regulations.gov.

Dangerous Good Advisory Council - Appeal of Final Rule

PHMSA-2012-0082 (HM-251)- Hazardous Materials: Enhanced Tank Car Standards and Operational Controls… PHMSA-2012-0082 (HM-251)- Hazardous Materials: Enhanced Tank Car Standards and Operational Controls… PHMSA-2012-0082 (HM-251) High-hazard flammable train {HHFT} means a single train transporting 20 or… PHMSA-2012-0082 (HM-251) based products."… PHMSA-2012-0082 (HM-251) approach, while the U.S. has taken a classification/PG approach addressing

• Agency Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration
• Posted Jun 16, 2015

Edited February 17, 2023 by Snake

[Sleepr2]

1 hour ago, spin_dry said:

The GOP has for years supported less federal regulation by turning it over to the states. So yeah….

A similar type of catastrophe occurred in Jersey with the exact same chemical. Didn’t hear much about that because the damage occurred in a poverty stricken, minority neighborhood. I found that to be interesting. 

And over reaching government regulations push companies offshore, cost jobs and cripple small businesses 

[Sleepr2]

2 hours ago, Snake said:

You are the biggest lying, piece of garbage on this fucking site..... get a hobby...

 

In addressing the train derailment on Tuesday, Buttigieg claimed, “We’re constrained by law on some areas of rail regulation,” and cited “the braking rule withdrawn by the Trump administration in 2018 because of a law passed by Congress in 2015.”

Buttigieg’s assertion, however, is incorrect.

National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Chair Jennifer Homendy announced on Thursday that if this particular rule were to have gone into effect, the mandate would have applied only to trains classified as high-hazard flammable trains.

“This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn’t have had ECP brakes,” Homendy said, and she suggested that anyone who says otherwise is “spreading misinformation.”

And once again MCLiar gets owned.  

[spin_dry]

Chemical spills are going to happen. That’s a given. Why on earth were there 5 tanker cars filled with hazardous chemicals allowed in the same train? Isn’t it common sense to have just one tanker allowed in a train at one time to mitigate the damage?  

Edited February 17, 2023 by spin_dry

[01mxz800]

1 hour ago, spin_dry said:

Chemical spills are going to happen. That’s a given. Why on earth were there 5 tanker cars filled with hazardous chemicals allowed in the same train? Isn’t it common sense to have just one tanker allowed in a train at one time to mitigate the damage?  

tank cars are not the only cars that carry hazardous materials, for all you know the hopper car that caused the derailment could have contained something not so nice

[spin_dry]

15 minutes ago, 01mxz800 said:

tank cars are not the only cars that carry hazardous materials, for all you know the hopper car that caused the derailment could have contained something not so nice

Whatever. The common sense approach is what I indicated. 

[Guest]

[ArcticCrusher]

 

[Jerry 976]

 

[spin_dry]

The GOP will give the railroad a pass. Corporations are people too. 

[ViperGTS/Z1]

[ViperGTS/Z1]

Sleepy Joe won't go.... but Trump will pay a visit.  America 1st. MAGA !!

 

[Jerry 976]

One guy brought up a good question, what's going to happen with the farm lands in and around that area come this spring and they start moving dirt and planting crops for people and animals?? Who's going to guarantee everything is safe and who is responsible if people get sick from eating crops from that area???  

[Jerry 976]

Fire departments who responded to the mess in east Palestine told to bag their fire fighting gear because of possible contamination, all fire fighting vehicle need proper decontamination. Most of the fire companies are 100% volunteer so that's a pretty big hit for all of them needing new gear and equipment...... what a F'n mess

[01mxz800]

still no  word as to who gave the ok to dump the shit on the ground? if they tapped them to drain them then they could have pumped them off, someone other than the railroad gave that order

[SnowRider]

Do you stupid MAGAt fucks understand Biden can’t approve and send federal relief until lil Mikey Dewine could not be involved until he declared sn emergency 

[Skidooski]

3 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

Do you stupid MAGAt fucks understand Biden can’t approve and send federal relief until lil Mikey Dewine could not be involved until he declared sn emergency 

[SnowRider]

3 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

Not at all.  Know your audience 

[Skidooski]

Just now, SnowRider said:

Not at all.  Know your audience 

So you're trying to get an audience by saying nice things in a nice manner then   

[ViperGTS/Z1]

22 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

Do you stupid MAGAt fucks understand Biden can’t approve and send federal relief until lil Mikey Dewine could not be involved until he declared sn emergency 

He don't give a shit about American families....only immigrants

Edited February 18, 2023 by ViperGTS/Z1

[Snake]

25 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

Obviously the stupid non-fuse changing/can't live without a toolkit freak show doesn't get the news...

Feb 13,

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine declared a state of emergency Wednesday in Brown and Clermont counties following tornadoes and other storms that pummeled the area last week.

The Ohio Department of Transportation has been called to provide assistance to the communities, according to a press release from the governor's office.

'Everything was just devastation':Goshen digs out, rallies after tornado

DeWine declared the state of emergency due to damaging conditions that resulted in power outages and damage to homes and businesses, the release states.

Feb 16,

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine has been advised by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) that Ohio is not eligible for assistance at this time. 

DeWine shared on social media that he spoke with the White House earlier this morning to address the need for federal help in East Palestine. 

Edited February 18, 2023 by Snake

[Jerry 976]

1 hour ago, 01mxz800 said:

still no  word as to who gave the ok to dump the shit on the ground? if they tapped them to drain them then they could have pumped them off, someone other than the railroad gave that order

https://theohiostar.com/2023/02/14/governor-dewine-we-made-the-decision-to-go-ahead-with-the-controlled-release-at-east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-site-on-february-6/

 

Following the catastrophic train derailment on February 3rd and controlled release of poisonous gasses in East Palestine, Ohio that wreaked havoc on the environment and negatively impacted the health of residents Ohio Governor Mike DeWine‘s press secretary told The Ohio Star that the controlled burn was the “least bad option.”

Press secretary Dan Tierney told The Star that officials from state agencies, federal agencies, and Norfolk-Southern were in collaborative communication regarding the emerging chemical threat at East Palestine. These officials advised the governor and other officials that absent a controlled burn, there was a certainty the tanker cars with Vinyl Chloride would explode in a catastrophic explosion, not only with a chemical release but also with shrapnel traveling one mile in radius. The controlled burn also ensured any gaseous releases occurred as vertical as possible, which creates the smallest possible radius of the affected area.

“The decision was not controlled burn versus no release. The decision was controlled burn with mitigated release or uncontrolled explosion with certain release and a shrapnel event. Both were options were not good, but the controlled burn was the least bad option,” Tierney told The Star.

Sr. communications manager with Norfolk Southern Connor Spielmaker echoed Tierney, saying that the decisions were made collaboratively to ensure the town’s safety.

“Norfolk Southern hazardous material personnel were on-scene and coordinating with local first responders immediately following the derailment. Throughout the following days, decisions were made in consultation with our professional emergency response contractors, as well as local, state, and federal agencies and other experts on the best path forward to ensure the safety of the town from a catastrophic failure of the tankers. Remediation efforts continue on-site and in coordination with those same agencies,” Spielmaker told The Star.

In a press conference on Tuesday, DeWine said before deciding to implement the controlled release, he and Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro spoke with representatives from the railroad who recommended that the controlled release was the best option for the safety of the residents.

DeWine also noted that the Ohio National Guard did a modeling exercise of how the release would work in conjunction with the U.S. Department of Defense to give some additional information and understand the full ramifications before making the decision. The modeling was then produced into a map, and the decision was made to proceed with the recommended controlled release.