Crnr2Crnr Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 https://electrek.co/2022/03/11/polaris-shows-off-test-vehicles-for-electric-atvs-rzr-side-by-side-and-even-electric-snowmobile/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p51mstg Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I think that's enough proof for me. Yup, that's what Cat is going to do. They're scrambling to get an electric sled to market before Polaris. They have to do it this year, or it will be too late. They need an industry first. Has anyone heard actual end user reports from the electric Ranger? What's the theoretical weight on a pre-production Taiga? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/11/2022 at 12:58 PM, p51mstg said: I think that's enough proof for me. Yup, that's what Cat is going to do. They're scrambling to get an electric sled to market before Polaris. They have to do it this year, or it will be too late. They need an industry first. Has anyone heard actual end user reports from the electric Ranger? What's the theoretical weight on a pre-production Taiga? If Textron were to play nice in the sand box they would own the Electric sled market and put tiga out of business before they got off the ground. Tiaga claims 617 pounds 180hp on the the performance model 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, Not greg b said: If Textron were to play nice in the sand box they would own the Electric sled market and put tiga out of business before they got off the ground. Tiaga claims 617 pounds 180hp on the the performance model And 80 miles on a good day with no charging stations anywhere where you ride a sled. If you were a resort or a bar owner would you dump 100 K into a charger for a couple of sleds at level 3? Don't have to answer as I know it is a resounding NO! Oh, and back to that 80 miles. When it gets cold and it does and that range gets cut to 50, you still buying in? Again, don't bother unless you have more time than God. You are going to need it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said: And 80 miles on a good day with no charging stations anywhere where you ride a sled. If you were a resort or a bar owner would you dump 100 K into a charger for a couple of sleds at level 3? Don't have to answer as I know it is a resounding NO! Oh, and back to that 80 miles. When it gets cold and it does and that range gets cut to 50, you still buying in? Again, don't bother unless you have more time than God. You are going to need it! You keep saying this. Electrics are going to be normal sooner than later. They aren’t going away. Keep your blinders on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Not greg b said: You keep saying this. Electrics are going to be normal sooner than later. They aren’t going away. Keep your blinders on Not saying they are going away, but who is going to buy in? I can see ski resorts, maybe the lone wolf ice fisherman, but tell me who is going to spend the $$ on charging network? Jack pines suck! In it's current form, they will never be more than a niche in the real market. Time will tell, but I have lots of time to laugh at this. Rode 102 miles today. Spent 5 minutes at the pump. Sleds were lined up like cord wood to fill up. How is this going to work with Electric? fools gold! Edited March 14, 2022 by ZR6000RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 14, 2022 Author Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: Not saying they are going away, but who is going to buy in? I can see ski resorts, maybe the lone wolf ice fisherman, but tell me who is going to spend the $$ on charging network? Jack pines suck! In it's current form, they will never be more than a niche in the real market. Time will tell, but I have lots of time to laugh at this. Rode 102 miles today. Spent 5 minutes at the pump. Sleds were lined up like cord wood to fill up. How is this going to work with Electric? fools gold! I'll play devil's advocate for a moment here. The snowmobile buying marketplace isn't ready for EVs. Four stroke models are becoming more popular due to durability, low maintenance, oil consumption and power with a turbo. Two of the older guys that ride with me have both migrated to them and are very satisfied, one of my younger friends sold all his two stroke sleds this winter and plans to buy a BRP four stroke for next year. Both BRP and Polaris have both made an investment in offering new four strokes recently. Polaris actually shocked their own customer base a couple weeks ago by offering a four stroke in the Matryx chassis. Textron only has the big daddy 998 turbo, but has abandoned the lower power non-turbo versions. As I see things they are going to have to get back into the lower power four stroke game, or continue losing market share to Polaris and BRP. That all being said, BRP and Polaris are spending time, resources and investing money in the electric field... where as Textron is busy picking out new colors to slather on the 1992 Crown Victoria. Edited March 14, 2022 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airflite1 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: I'll play devil's advocate for a moment here. The snowmobile buying marketplace isn't ready for EVs. Four stroke models are becoming more popular due to durability, low maintenance, oil consumption and power with a turbo. Two of the older guys that ride with me have both migrated to them and are very satisfied, one of my younger friends sold all his two stroke sleds this winter and plans to buy a BRP four stroke for next year. Both BRP and Polaris have both made an investment in offering new four strokes recently. Polaris actually shocked their own customer base a couple weeks ago by offering a four stroke in the Matryx chassis. Textron only has the big daddy 998 turbo, but has abandoned the lower power non-turbo versions. As I see things they are going to have to get back into the lower power four stroke game, or continue losing market share to Polaris and BRP. That all being said, BRP and Polaris are spending time, resources and investing money in the electric field... where as Textron is busy picking out new colors to slather on the 1992 Crown Victoria. There's a place for Electric Snowmobiles, Ski Resorts want them, Yellowstone Park wants them, and probably a few other niche places. EV's are coming wether people are ready or not, as I've said in the past Porsche is 100% committed to EV's to the point they've stopped all development on new gas engines. The goal for cars is 450 mile range, 15 minute full recharge and a charging network, that will be the end of new production gas cars, with technology everything else will follow. Edited March 14, 2022 by airflite1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 14, 2022 Author Share Posted March 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, airflite1 said: There's a place for Electric Snowmobiles, Ski Resorts want them, Yellowstone Park wants them, and probably a few other niche places. EV's are coming wether people are ready or not, as I've said in the past Porsche is 100% committed to EV's to the point they've stopped all development on new gas engines. The goal for cars is 450 mile range, 15 minute full recharge and a charging network, that will be the end of new production gas cars, with technology everything else will follow. I'm fully aware, but I don't want to be the first to ride along in your electric airplane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 14, 2022 Author Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) Another arena where EV technology may be seen is electric Snocross sleds. The longest they're on the track is about 15 minutes in the pro class and the biggest complaint I heard this weekend was about how loud and obnoxious those things are. As an added bonus it would give tech more time to eat street tacos and get a foot massage. Edited March 14, 2022 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airflite1 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: I'm fully aware, but I don't want to be the first to ride along in your electric airplane. 9 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: Another arena where EV technology may be seen is electric Snocross sleds. The longest they're on the track is about 15 minutes in the pro class and the biggest complaint I heard this weekend was about how loud and obnoxious those things are. As an added bonus it would give tech more time to eat street tacos and get a foot massage. It's funny you mention this, there is a new air racing class forming for EV planes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsky Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Forget about range and charging, those things will work themselves out over time but so many already complain about 40lbs in a four stroke how will they even be able to ride an EV sled that will weigh 150lbs more than their two smoker? These riders say they get too tired trying to handle the extra weight. Maybe they take up knitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airflite1 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, jdsky said: Forget about range and charging, those things will work themselves out over time but so many already complain about 40lbs in a four stroke how will they even be able to ride an EV sled that will weigh 150lbs more than their two smoker? These riders say they get too tired trying to handle the extra weight. Maybe they take up knitting. The difference I see is with a 4 stroke, the weight is all on the skis, on an EV they have the option to put the weight where they want, for off trail the advantage will stay with light weight, but for strictly trail riders I can see the attraction if they can get the range and charging options in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 14, 2022 Author Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, airflite1 said: It's funny you mention this, there is a new air racing class forming for EV planes. You don't say... technology is changing? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune46x Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: Another arena where EV technology may be seen is electric Snocross sleds. The longest they're on the track is about 15 minutes in the pro class and the biggest complaint I heard this weekend was about how loud and obnoxious those things are. As an added bonus it would give tech more time to eat street tacos and get a foot massage. I wish I got a foot massage... and thank god for a taco truck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Dumstad forgets that battery tech will change. If you could have 200mi of range it would functionally resolve 99.9% of buyers needs. That is coming and sooner than later. Will also mean for shorter times the weight penalty is less. Today I don't want one, but am sure I will see a day where that will be different. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 14, 2022 Author Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, fortune46x said: I wish I got a foot massage... and thank god for a taco truck They're getting you a mod motor powered foot massager when they go all electric. I did a pulled pork platter and considered climbing the ladder on the back side of the tech trailer to eat and watch the race from the roof. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/11/2022 at 1:58 PM, p51mstg said: I think that's enough proof for me. Yup, that's what Cat is going to do. They're scrambling to get an electric sled to market before Polaris. They have to do it this year, or it will be too late. They need an industry first. Has anyone heard actual end user reports from the electric Ranger? What's the theoretical weight on a pre-production Taiga? A friend of mine has one he has had it for a number of years he did like it for the noise level scouting his property, he also has gas powered sxs and 4 wheelers for working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 This country is not ready to go all electric and 60-80 miles will not cut it on a snowmobile for now. We are poisoning the earth mining lithium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Badger** said: This country is not ready to go all electric and 60-80 miles will not cut it on a snowmobile for now. We are poisoning the earth mining lithium. Smartest thing you have said all year! Bravo! Something factual on here for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, Badger** said: This country is not ready to go all electric and 60-80 miles will not cut it on a snowmobile for now. We are poisoning the earth mining lithium. chapter 7 of the industrial revolution.... out of site, out of mind. please leave your cell phone in the basket on the way out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, ZR6000RR said: Smartest thing you have said all year! Bravo! Something factual on here for a change. No one really gives a fuck what you think or should we start a poll? Get on it C2C 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Crnr2Crnr said: chapter 7 of the industrial revolution.... out of site, out of mind. please leave your cell phone in the basket on the way out I fucking hate my cell phone its only good for work. Edited March 15, 2022 by Badger** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Badger** said: No one really gives a fuck what you think or should we start a poll? Get on it C2C I'd love to have a beer with both of you so you could both understand how I'm often right and you're both usually wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Badger** said: I fucking hate my cell phone its only good for work. did you post that from the closest telegraph station, or was it delivered to FS HQ via pony express? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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