hooray, the south african variant showed up just in time for christmas

[Deephaven]

2 hours ago, Zambroski said:

He's not wrong here though.  You ESPECIALLY cannot vaccinate your way out of it when there is no vaccine.

You don't need the especially.  No vaccine means you can't vaccinate yourself out of it....although that is sort of like Nelson saying, "my cats mouth smells like cat food"

2 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said:

When have we ever vaccinated anyone who has recovered from a virus naturally.  Until covid.  Please respond.

Any mutating disease that will be required.  The leftovers from the Spanish flu that wiped out a ton of the globe is a vaccine we still take even though most of us have also had the virus naturally.

 

 

[Rod]

3 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

You don't need the especially.  No vaccine means you can't vaccinate yourself out of it....although that is sort of like Nelson saying, "my cats mouth smells like cat food"

Any mutating disease that will be required.  The leftovers from the Spanish flu that wiped out a ton of the globe is a vaccine we still take even though most of us have also had the virus naturally.

 

 

But you don’t keep vaccinating with the same vaccine that hardly worked in the first place 

[Deephaven]

Just now, ACE said:

But you don’t keep vaccinating with the same vaccine that hardly worked in the first place 

Never stated that was a positive, just rejecting the BS nonsense that the vaccine is making people weak and causing the pandemic to be worse.  That is seriously idiotic.

As for the capability of the supposed vaccine, the real question is what level of efficacy is acceptable to make people want it.  I bet if you told people the choice was a 30% shot or not to take it most that have taken it still would.  The conspiracy nonsense that some are promoting on here is as laughable as the earth being flat.

[ArcticCrusher]

5 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

You don't need the especially.  No vaccine means you can't vaccinate yourself out of it....although that is sort of like Nelson saying, "my cats mouth smells like cat food"

Any mutating disease that will be required.  The leftovers from the Spanish flu that wiped out a ton of the globe is a vaccine we still take even though most of us have also had the virus naturally.

 

 

Natural immunity is the gold standard.

No need for leaky vaccines, get on with your life.

[Deephaven]

Just now, ArcticCrusher said:

Natural immunity is the gold standard.

No need for leaky vaccines, get on with your life.

The rate of reinfection of those who have had it doesn't make it a gold standard.  It might be better than the vaccine, it might not. 

[ArcticCrusher]

1 minute ago, Deephaven said:

Never stated that was a positive, just rejecting the BS nonsense that the vaccine is making people weak and causing the pandemic to be worse.  That is seriously idiotic.

As for the capability of the supposed vaccine, the real question is what level of efficacy is acceptable to make people want it.  I bet if you told people the choice was a 30% shot or not to take it most that have taken it still would.  The conspiracy nonsense that some are promoting on here is as laughable as the earth being flat.

No it isn't.   It's actually a cornerstone of science, you do not vax those who have recovered from a virus.  Virology 101, look it up.

[ArcticCrusher]

Just now, Deephaven said:

The rate of reinfection of those who have had it doesn't make it a gold standard.  It might be better than the vaccine, it might not. 

Please stop drinking the kool-aid.  Your looking foolish.

[Deephaven]

Just now, ArcticCrusher said:

No it isn't.   It's actually a cornerstone of science, you do not vax those who have recovered from a virus.  Virology 101, look it up.

Lol, billions of flu shots discredit your idiocy.  If you don't have permanent natural immunity the only choice is to fortify or keep the risk of reinfection.  

[Deephaven]

Just now, ArcticCrusher said:

Please stop drinking the kool-aid.  Your looking foolish.

If you could actually argue with any eloquence or logic perhaps but you are making shit up with no basis.  Makes you the fool.

[akvanden]

1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said:

What about shingles etc?  The flu is a hit and mostly miss.  Surely you know this, you couldn't  be this fucking stupid?  Or can you?

Mr virology 101, you seem to be lacking in the 101 front. You claim variants are coming from vaccinated yet ignore where prior variants have come from, including this one. You ask questions like “name a virus where we vaccinate after natural infection/recovery” yet can’t even think about the most common virus of them all? These seem like basics for someone with virology 101 knowledge.

Edited November 27, 2021 by akvanden

[akvanden]

19 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

If you could actually argue with any eloquence or logic perhaps but you are making shit up with no basis.  Makes you the fool.

He’ll have a rebuttal from Twitter shortly, give it time.

[Rod]

1 hour ago, Deephaven said:

Never stated that was a positive, just rejecting the BS nonsense that the vaccine is making people weak and causing the pandemic to be worse.  That is seriously idiotic.

As for the capability of the supposed vaccine, the real question is what level of efficacy is acceptable to make people want it.  I bet if you told people the choice was a 30% shot or not to take it most that have taken it still would.  The conspiracy nonsense that some are promoting on here is as laughable as the earth being flat.

I would say that myocarditis makes people weak 

[Rod]

57 minutes ago, akvanden said:

Mr virology 101, you seem to be lacking in the 101 front. You claim variants are coming from vaccinated yet ignore where prior variants have come from, including this one. You ask questions like “name a virus where we vaccinate after natural infection/recovery” yet can’t even think about the most common virus of them all? These seem like basics for someone with virology 101 knowledge.

You are seriously retarded. 

[Rod]

1 hour ago, Deephaven said:

Lol, billions of flu shots discredit your idiocy.  If you don't have permanent natural immunity the only choice is to fortify or keep the risk of reinfection.  

Do they keep re vaccinated with the exact same flu shot every year?

[Ez ryder]

1 hour ago, Deephaven said:

Lol, billions of flu shots discredit your idiocy.  If you don't have permanent natural immunity the only choice is to fortify or keep the risk of reinfection.  

But when what you ate using is only sort if effective why keep it up ? There is no way in hell if I cought a covid I would then go and top it with some  phizer liquid gold .

And the flue shot is diff every yr the phizer well same shit same year 

Edited November 27, 2021 by Ez ryder

[Deephaven]

33 minutes ago, ACE said:

I would say that myocarditis makes people weak 

That isn't a function of the shot but a potentially rare side effect.  Same side effect the disease itself has.

32 minutes ago, ACE said:

Do they keep re vaccinated with the exact same flu shot every year?

The first one was released less than a year ago.  And functionally it is almost the same.  I would expect changes coming on the current shot as well.  Lots to improve on it.

[CFM]

[ford_428cj]

11 hours ago, poopooforme said:

Gotta keep the fear up.  Oh and guess what the "vaccine" wont cover this one so now they have their excuse why the "vaccine" is so ineffective....  Perfect!!

Yup...

 

10 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said:

So this is what the real experts warned us of, high vaccination with a leaky vaccine will cause escape mutations.  But the blind leading the blind did not head the warning.

The vaccine (sorry gene therapy) should have been given only to those at higher risk.  Those same real experts are now concerned the mutation has completely escaped T-Cell and antibody response bringing us back to Jan 2020 with a virus that is much more deadly.  This is now a pandemic of the vaccinated, thank you for being complacent sheep. 

 

 

Spot on...

 

9 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said:

You cannot vaccinate your way out of a pandemic, you will only make it worse as we are seeing.

This is virology 101, and yet past knowledge is being completely ignored.

Yup...

 

7 hours ago, Ez ryder said:

Well we have been told we can't listen to Robert he has only been correct every step of the way so far.  But again he is just a kook 

Yup...

 

2 hours ago, Deephaven said:

Never stated that was a positive, just rejecting the BS nonsense that the vaccine is making people weak and causing the pandemic to be worse.  That is seriously idiotic.

As for the capability of the supposed vaccine, the real question is what level of efficacy is acceptable to make people want it.  I bet if you told people the choice was a 30% shot or not to take it most that have taken it still would.  The conspiracy nonsense that some are promoting on here is as laughable as the earth being flat.

Multiple high ranking credible people have said that. It happens especially when people get the jab & it isn't kicked in yet - then catch covi. The covi sees the weak non effective vax - then mutates to beat the vax 

[Guest]

Yeah, this is all from a bat-meat sandwich.  

[akvanden]

33 minutes ago, ford_428cj said:

Multiple high ranking credible people have said that. It happens especially when people get the jab & it isn't kicked in yet - then catch covi. The covi sees the weak non effective vax - then mutates to beat the vax 

And then you see the cases/hospitalization/ICU/deaths rates between the two groups and realize they're full of shit. 

[ford_428cj]

6 minutes ago, akvanden said:

And then you see the cases/hospitalization/ICU/deaths rates between the two groups and realize they're full of shit. 

That's for the mutations. Vaxxed are the primary cause.

Or did China drop another bio weapon on us - that Fauxi payed for with US tax dollars?

[akvanden]

5 minutes ago, ford_428cj said:

That's for the mutations. Vaxxed are the primary cause.

Or did China drop another bio weapon on us - that Fauxi payed for with US tax dollars?

Oh yeah, those mutations that are happening either pre-vaccine or in countries with low vaccination rates. Got it. 

[ford_428cj]

1 minute ago, akvanden said:

Oh yeah, those mutations that are happening either pre-vaccine or in countries with low vaccination rates. Got it. 

Let's be honest - that strain could already be here. Who would know - besides fauxis crew....and you can't trust them. 

[akvanden]

2 minutes ago, ford_428cj said:

Let's be honest - that strain could already be here. Who would know - besides fauxis crew....and you can't trust them. 

On yeah - great point. He's always meddling. 

[Beavis and Butt-Head]

3 hours ago, akvanden said:

On yeah - great point. He's always meddling. 

just noticed your pic avatar ,  you have my sympathy for owning one of the biggest piece of shit polaris has ever released and I say this to  fusion 900's ultra 680's owners as well     

Edited November 27, 2021 by Beavis and Butt-Head