ERs are now swamped with seriously ill patients — but many don't even have COVID

[akvanden]

2 hours ago, Zambroski said:

Human trials aren’t completed yet.  The whole thing passed twilight zone crazy months ago.

I’ll say it again: I don’t need to know the end game or all the “whys” I am being lied to….I just need to recognize that I am being lied to.  This has been an experiment I don’t want to be a part of….and will not be.

They were completed summer/fall of 2020. 

[akvanden]

1 hour ago, irv said:

@Highmark

Here is the article. I don't know about anyone else, but to me it reads like, "after reading this, if you're still silly enough to get the vaccines, then don't say we didn't warn you"

Vaccination rates across Simcoe Muskoka have risen above 80 per cent, but the number of immunized patients admitted to the hospital with COVID-19 has also increased.

There are currently eight COVID-19 positive patients in local hospitals, half of whom are vaccinated.

"Three of the four in the intensive care unit were fully immunized," said Dr. Charles Gardner during a COVID-19 update on Wednesday.

The region's top doctor noted that 39 per cent of cases in the past week were "breakthrough cases," meaning fully vaccinated individuals.

https://barrie.ctvnews.ca/covid-19-cases-hospitalizations-rise-among-those-immunized-in-simcoe-muskoka-1.5631488

 

That's what you got out of reading this? Let me add the few sentences that you left out. 
 

"The region's top doctor noted that 39 per cent of cases in the past week were "breakthrough cases," meaning fully vaccinated individuals.

Still, he said this isn't unexpected.

"The proportion of our cases that are breakthrough cases will go up over time. That does not change the degree of protection for people who received immunization," Gardner said.

The medical officer added that the vaccine offers a "high degree of protection" against COVID-19.

"In fact, if you're not immunized, you're 10 times more likely to become a case and 23 times more likely to be admitted to the hospital," Gardner said."

IRV interpretation: "after reading this, if you're still silly enough to get the vaccines, then don't say we didn't warn you"

Very strange. 

[SayatodaU.P.eh?]

2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Not at all, I have plenty of fat family members and friends.  

I also see far too many overweight and slightly obese children in my travels.  Anyone that denies we have a large segment of an unhealthy population and that obesity, and diabetes aren't going to become a larger player in our health care system is living on a flat earth.  As a payer of the cost of health care and insurance one would think the fiscal conservatives would already be concerned about this 'growing' trend. 

Thanks for taking all of that time trying to explain away that you just like making light and fun of fat people. You fataphobe.

There are people denying the fact that this country has an obesity problem? Or are you just pissed that somehow your health care costs are what they are because of it? Pretty sure there’s more wrong with this countries health care system than fat people. We could start with the fact that the current sitting President is backing an enforcement for people to take shots they don’t want so healthcare workers are leaving the business which will for sure make it worse. Even when we already have a shortage of these people but, if you want to talk about the pizza that I’m going to have for dinner instead, then we can do that too, I guess. 

[Zambroski]

2 hours ago, akvanden said:

They were completed summer/fall of 2020. 

Completed as in “good enough”.

But…you believe what you want. We aren’t going to convince each other of anything.  

[ArcticCrusher]

How goalposts move.

 

[irv]

3 hours ago, akvanden said:

That's what you got out of reading this? Let me add the few sentences that you left out. 
 

"The region's top doctor noted that 39 per cent of cases in the past week were "breakthrough cases," meaning fully vaccinated individuals.

Still, he said this isn't unexpected.

"The proportion of our cases that are breakthrough cases will go up over time. That does not change the degree of protection for people who received immunization," Gardner said.

The medical officer added that the vaccine offers a "high degree of protection" against COVID-19.

"In fact, if you're not immunized, you're 10 times more likely to become a case and 23 times more likely to be admitted to the hospital," Gardner said."

IRV interpretation: "after reading this, if you're still silly enough to get the vaccines, then don't say we didn't warn you"

Very strange. 

What's strange is that you're not bright enough to see what I bolded above and how that contradicts what's written in the article. "10 times more likely" and "23 times more likely", yet half the doctors patients are fully vaxxed and 3/4, or 3 out of the 4 that are in the ICU are fully vaxxed. 

Maybe, like I told someone else on this site, you might want to re-read until it sinks in. 

Edited October 29, 2021 by irv

[akvanden]

3 hours ago, Zambroski said:

Completed as in “good enough”.

But…you believe what you want. We aren’t going to convince each other of anything.  

Completed as in a statistically significant sample size of over 40,000 people here in the US, and numerous others run independently by the countries that purchased from Pfizer.

And yes, believe what you want, but let's base it in reality and not go around saying it's still in clinical trials when it's not. 

[Zambroski]

2 minutes ago, akvanden said:

Completed as in a statistically significant sample size of over 40,000 people here in the US, and numerous others run independently by the countries that purchased from Pfizer.

And yes, believe what you want, but let's base it in reality and not go around saying it's still in clinical trials when it's not. 

It most certainly is still in trials. 

[Zambroski]

3 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said:

How goalposts move.

 

TRIALZ ARE OVER!  VaxYne iS A HUGE SUCCESS!  

 

[akvanden]

2 hours ago, irv said:

What's strange is that you're not bright enough to see what I bolded above and how that contradicts what's written in the article. "10 times more likely" and "23 times more likely", yet half the doctors patients are fully vaxxed and 3/4, or 3 out of the 4 that are in the ICU are fully vaxxed. 

Maybe, like I told someone else on this site, you might want to re-read until it sinks in. 

The order in which words are written/spoken, matter. In this case, they cite those statistics followed by the doctor saying BUT these are to be expected as we get to higher level of vaccination rates and that still, in aggregate, your 23 times more likely to be admitted to the hospital. If you want to make the argument that it's a bullshit explanation, then do it, don't just ignore it. 

Imagine if an area ever got to 100% vaccination rate, and they had a breakthrough case. I wonder what % of vaccinated with covid that would be?

[Ez ryder]

15 minutes ago, akvanden said:

Completed as in a statistically significant sample size of over 40,000 people here in the US, and numerous others run independently by the countries that purchased from Pfizer.

And yes, believe what you want, but let's base it in reality and not go around saying it's still in clinical trials when it's not. 

And they continue to hide side effects at all costs . 

[Zambroski]

3 minutes ago, Ez ryder said:

And they continue to hide side effects at all costs . 

Oh, they sure as hell do. While also convincing you why you should also.  

[EvilBird]

If you are healthy and think you need a big Pharma vaccine to survive life or some overhyped virus...You might be retarded. 

Edited October 30, 2021 by EvilBird

[Ez ryder]

6 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

Oh, they sure as hell do. While also convincing you why you should also.  

Worse banning your content from places like FB  when posting pics and symptoms if you mention the jab .

And this is world wide 

[irv]

14 minutes ago, akvanden said:

The order in which words are written/spoken, matter. In this case, they cite those statistics followed by the doctor saying BUT these are to be expected as we get to higher level of vaccination rates and that still, in aggregate, your 23 times more likely to be admitted to the hospital. If you want to make the argument that it's a bullshit explanation, then do it, don't just ignore it. 

Imagine if an area ever got to 100% vaccination rate, and they had a breakthrough case. I wonder what % of vaccinated with covid that would be?

What I concluded a long time ago regarding you is, that no matter what is presented to you, you will twist and spin it to justify you getting vaxxed.

It really doesn't matter one way or another what is written, linked or presented. You'll defend your decision even if you have to spin it in such a manner that it doesn't even make sense.  

 

[Zambroski]

11 minutes ago, irv said:

What I concluded a long time ago regarding you is, that no matter what is presented to you, you will twist and spin it to justify you getting vaxxed.

It really doesn't matter one way or another what is written, linked or presented. You'll defend your decision even if you have to spin it in such a manner that it doesn't even make sense.  

 

He believes what he is told and sees no reason to doubt it.

I remember being so young and naive.  It was a lot more fun back then.  

[SayatodaU.P.eh?]

56 minutes ago, irv said:

What I concluded a long time ago regarding you is, that no matter what is presented to you, you will twist and spin it to justify you getting vaxxed.

It really doesn't matter one way or another what is written, linked or presented. You'll defend your decision even if you have to spin it in such a manner that it doesn't even make sense.  

 

In all honesty, I’m pretty sure that door swings both ways. With politics it pretty much always has and always will, too. 

[EvilBird]

 

   

Edited October 30, 2021 by EvilBird

[akvanden]

2 hours ago, irv said:

What I concluded a long time ago regarding you is, that no matter what is presented to you, you will twist and spin it to justify you getting vaxxed.

It really doesn't matter one way or another what is written, linked or presented. You'll defend your decision even if you have to spin it in such a manner that it doesn't even make sense.  

 

No spin, just reading the article you posted. It provided the reason/conclusion, I didn't. 

 

 

[ford_428cj]

14 hours ago, Highmark said:

Whether you are willing to believe it or not a jab of this type COULD leave people extremely vulnerable to another variant or other illness, way more so than the unvaxxed.   Happened in previous animal trials of mRNA vaccines.

Reality is there have been no long term trials and having billions of people around the world injected with something unproven for the long term is insane.   Hopefully they have designed in fading effectiveness for the reason stated above.   This would be better than it creating antibodies that could attack our body permanently.  Again something that had happened in previous animal trials.   

All the animals died later on in previous trials. ADE was the cause. 

 

11 hours ago, Highmark said:

Without question its done an amazing amount of good.   No doubt saved untold number of lives however we won't know for some time if something really negative will occur and honestly they won't tell us if it did or was occurring.   That's what bothers me so much.

Another issue that is beyond repair is what we are doing to our children.   Kids thinking complying with masks or vaccines because it has to be done to save their lives or that of their loved ones.   Some parts of this country have really fucked up the minds of kids with this virus that was not at all serious to them. 

When that vaccine in the 70's turned out to have issues they hid it.   60 minutes (Mike Wallace) did a good special on it.   We don't have good, unbiased investigative journalism in the MSM that would do the same today.  If you agree with something don't dare do anything to make it look bad.     

Has there been any msm or 60 minutes reports on the safety of the vax?

 

11 hours ago, snopro31 said:

Health care resources have not increased with the population increase.  Its pretty simple to understand.

 

 

How many has HC lost because of the mandates also.?

 

11 hours ago, Highmark said:

This push for those with natural immunity to get vaccinated really has me questioning this whole thing.   This more than anything points to an agenda of "no control group to compare against."  

I've seen NOTHING that delta or any other variant is common in any way with those who already had COVID.   I've seen NOTHING in that natural immunity fades.  Even Fauci couldn't answer that clearly. 

Yup. 

Fauxi is a dirty rat.

[irv]

11 hours ago, Zambroski said:

He believes what he is told and sees no reason to doubt it.

I remember being so young and naive.  It was a lot more fun back then.  

Imagine being so stupid and ignorant that after reading that article, that talks about half the people in the hospital being fully vaxxed and three quarters of those in ICU also being fully vaxxed, and still believing the vaccines actually work? 

 

[Rod]

Another buddy tested positive. Had some cold sweats for one day and general malaise for two days. 
 

really seems like it’s milder than a cold for a lot of people. 

[Zambroski]

11 minutes ago, ACE said:

Another buddy tested positive. Had some cold sweats for one day and general malaise for two days. 
 

really seems like it’s milder than a cold for a lot of people. 

I think a low percentage of people haven’t had it by now.  Remember last year when you got tired and had that cough?  Yuh.

[Zambroski]

59 minutes ago, irv said:

Imagine being so stupid and ignorant that after reading that article, that talks about half the people in the hospital being fully vaxxed and three quarters of those in ICU also being fully vaxxed, and still believing the vaccines actually work? 

 

Well, when you are conditioned to believe what your mother ship tells you to believe, it so what it is but no, I couldn’t imagine being that ignorant.  But…if I was, I probably wouldn’t know.  Look at the self proclaimed “intellectually elite” here.  

[Rod]

1 hour ago, Zambroski said:

I think a low percentage of people haven’t had it by now.  Remember last year when you got tired and had that cough?  Yuh.

Yup. I’ve had colds that lingered for like 2 months. This seems milder. 

Edited October 30, 2021 by ACE