Rod Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Won what? Drags, radar runs? If I'm drag racing a boosted Z1 I would clutch for 77-7800 but that's right near peak HP. Dude that's so far off half way between peak HP and torque. Fuck dude get over yourself already. You made that claim now your saying you weren't even close to clutching that way. "We" is like another way of saying the team I followed along and claimed to be a part of. So I nailed it beats 800’s with a tuned turbo and puffs his chest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, ACE said: We ran out Z1T around 7700-7800 and it won a lot You tune a turbo sled and go beat stock 800’s then fluff yourself. That’s seriously your level. It’s going to be faster in 500’ on that setup but go run it on the trail and you’ll get killed across the lake and river Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, ACE said: So I nailed it beats 800’s with a tuned turbo and puffs his chest Clutching for 7800 on a pump gas tune is just asking for trouble. You have zero experience here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, f7ben said: It’s going to be faster in 500’ on that setup but go run it on the trail and you’ll get killed across the lake and river Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, f7ben said: Clutching for 7800 on a pump gas tune is just asking for trouble. You have zero experience here Who said anything about pump gas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, ACE said: Who said anything about pump gas The argument is about trail setups ....we all know drag setups will be vastly different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 4, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: I like revving it at 83-8400 and d&d moves the rev limiter up to 8900. I’m running 18lbs boost and the only reason it can be done is because of the light stockclutching. The sled is significantly faster than the speedwerx setup we had and it runs right along wide the BikeMan 260 tune ales in our group. Stock internals with aftermarket head bolts? Z1T's set up properly are no slouch. No question there. Edited March 4, 2021 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, f7ben said: The argument is about trail setups ....we all know drag setups will be vastly different Where did we specify trail setups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 4, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, ACE said: So I nailed it beats 800’s with a tuned turbo and puffs his chest Not even close. Half way between peak torque and HP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Stock internals with aftermarket head bolts? All bone stock... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, ACE said: Where did we specify trail setups I guess we didn’t but that is what the whole discussion has been about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, Highmark said: Not even close. Half way between peak torque and HP. Yet you had a freak out and won’t prove otherwise stay in the small leagues where you belong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 4, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ACE said: I always had best results being between peak HP and TQ 1 hour ago, Highmark said: Boosted 4 strokes are a different animal altogether. 59 minutes ago, ACE said: Always use the TQ 35 minutes ago, Highmark said: Not with Turbo 4's. Leaving too much speed on the table. 34 minutes ago, ACE said: But more acceleration 29 minutes ago, Highmark said: No. Stock Sidewinder has 134 ft/lbs of torque at 6400 RPM (not peak just as low as the graph goes) At peak HP its at 8800 and 122 ft/lbs of torque. You go ahead and clutch one half way between and lets race. Half way between your at 7600 rpm 187 HP and 127 ft/lbs vs 204 and 122. Turbo 4's you clutch anywhere from little bit below peak HP to little over. No half way between. 9 minutes ago, ACE said: So I nailed it beats 800’s with a tuned turbo and puffs his chest 3 minutes ago, ACE said: Yet you had a freak out and won’t prove otherwise stay in the small leagues where you belong Dude just take your beating and go home. You're literally embarrassing yourself. I to we. Edited March 4, 2021 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, Highmark said: Dude just take your beating and go home. I to we. You literally just proved me right again tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 4, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, ACE said: You literally just proved me right again tbh Z1T stock or boosted has peak torque closer to peak HP than the 998 but your comment on ALWAYS go half way between is flat out wrong. Totally depends on the motor and type of race/riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, Highmark said: Z1T stock or boosted has peak torque closer to peak HP than the 998 but your comment on ALWAYS go half way between is flat out wrong. Totally depends on the motor and type of race/riding. I think you need to calm down and go edge out another stock 800 with your tuned turbo to make you feel better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 47 minutes ago, ACE said: Where did we specify trail setups Ben keeps moving the goalposts. So dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, awful knawful said: Ben keeps moving the goalposts. So dumb. Wrong....stated from the start for trail setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Wrong....stated from the start for trail setup. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, awful knawful said: No. Yup....sorry moron. I never made any claims at all about a race setup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, f7ben said: Yup....sorry moron. I never made any claims at all about a race setup Nor claims of trail. So fuck off retard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, awful knawful said: Nor claims of trail. So fuck off retard! Yup...stated trail setup from the start Dumb motherfucker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 LMAO!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 14 hours ago, ACE said: If your tune adds lug height do you have to re clutch for the increased gear ratio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Damn both Evo and D&D say HSR is a butt fucking retard The problem is the the piggy backs cannot adjust timing or rev limit. It basically adds boost and fuel. The stock programmed boost/timing curve drops off substantially after 7900. There is no reason for this other than that is how the factory programmed it. The 1100T engine is much happier at 8100 rpms vs 7800. What I mean by this is detonation is less likely at 8100-8500 vs 7800. The rpms where detonation is most prevalent is 7500 to 7800. Unfortunately this is where the stock boost timing curve makes maximum power. At stock boost levels, this is not a problem. Our tune makes maximum power (within a percent or two) from 7800 all the way to 8500. The other reason why people with piggybacks are hitting the rev limit is because if stock clutching is used, the increased power will put you above 8000 rpms which is too close to the stock rev limit. With ours, you can use your stock clutching, spin the motor at 8100-8200 and not change any cluching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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