Zambroski Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: You’re free to answer the question you fucking moron And you got nothing....as expected What he said VVVVVV 8 minutes ago, Tommcat said: Wow.....just wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: What he said VVVVVV You don’t have a clue.....hence your inability to give the slightest answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, f7ben said: You don’t have a clue.....hence your inability to give the slightest answer Your inability to read into my answer just further tells me you shouldn’t even own BBQ tools.....and the hoods on all your vehicles should be locked tight only to be opened by a qualified technician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, Zambroski said: Your inability to read into my answer just further tells me you shouldn’t even own BBQ tools.....and the hoods on all your vehicles should be locked tight only to be opened by a qualified technician. Listen you stupid faggot ass cocksucker.....You are fucking clueless. You can’t even begin to answer because you know nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayatodaU.P.eh? Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Tommcat said: Wow.....just wow Oh yeah dude. It’s that good. Just wait though, I’m sure it’s just getting started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Tommcat said: Wow.....just wow Can you explain clutching to the sites fool, aka Ben? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 hours ago, f7ben said: Listen you stupid faggot ass cocksucker.....You are fucking clueless. You can’t even begin to answer because you know nothing Epic meltdown has begun. Butthurt island get ready for one more 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 When you get your own thread you know you've made it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommcat Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, awful knawful said: Can you explain clutching to the sites fool, aka Ben? I think I'd have a better shot explaining it to my dog. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 28 minutes ago, Tommcat said: I think I'd have a better shot explaining it to my dog. I love how you wouldn’t say a peep about D&Ds slingshot flash on HCS Fucking chicken shit know nothing little pussy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 4, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 4, 2021 10 hours ago, f7ben said: You started the thread man....you ride the sled. Do you feel like the stock clutching works or not? For 95%+ of riders stock clutching is absolutely fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: For 95%+ of riders stock clutching is absolutely fine. So if you turn boost up 5lbs what will change about the way the clutching works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 8 hours ago, f7ben said: Listen you stupid faggot ass cocksucker.....You are fucking clueless. You can’t even begin to answer because you know nothing 1 minute ago, Highmark said: For 95%+ of riders stock clutching is absolutely fine. This is probably accurate and the stock clutching is set by the factory to work about as good as it ever will in a wide variety of conditions. "All-around good clutching". Doo used to have this pretty well dialed in. I think (hear) Poo does now. STILL, this doesn't mean clutch modifications/improvements should be rejected when starting to boost and target performance areas. To think that is just silly as hell. I mean, totally absurd. I.E. Mind numbingly, fucking stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 4, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: So if you turn boost up 5lbs what will change about the way the clutching works? Plenty of things. To start you will likely over rev. You also could upshift much faster than your secondary can handle causing slippage there. You don't want to start a clutching debate with me Ben. I actually design and build a CVT product. Do you build products containing CVT's? My comment holds true. For the vast majority of riders stock clutching these days is very good. Most riders you can make a change on their sled and ask how is it. They will say oh man that's really great. Then you ask them how its better and they have zero clue as to why. Vast majority of people have zero butt dyno awareness. Edited March 4, 2021 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 4, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: This is probably accurate and the stock clutching is set by the factory to work about as good as it ever will in a wide variety of conditions. "All-around good clutching". Doo used to have this pretty well dialed in. I think (hear) Poo does now. STILL, this doesn't mean clutch modifications/improvements should be rejected when starting to boost and target performance areas. To think that is just silly as hell. I mean, totally absurd. I.E. Mind numbingly, fucking stupid. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: This is probably accurate and the stock clutching is set by the factory to work about as good as it ever will in a wide variety of conditions. "All-around good clutching". Doo used to have this pretty well dialed in. I think (hear) Poo does now. STILL, this doesn't mean clutch modifications/improvements should be rejected when starting to boost and target performance areas. To think that is just silly as hell. I mean, totally absurd. I.E. Mind numbingly, fucking stupid. Why do you change the argument? Nobody said there wouldn’t be gains from clutching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Plenty of things. To start you will likely over rev. You also could upshift much faster than your secondary can handle causing slippage there. You don't want to start a clutching debate with me Ben. I actually design and build a CVT product. My comment holds true. For the vast majority of riders stock clutching these days is very good. Most riders you can make a change on their sled and ask how is it. They will say oh man that's really great. Then you ask them how its better and they have zero clue as to why. Vast majority of people have zero butt dyno awareness. Please define “over rev” as it relates to a turbo motor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zambroski Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: Why do you change the argument? Nobody said there wouldn’t be gains from clutching. You've said from the start that clutching has basically no benefits in sled modding. Now, I know you are still trying to morph this into some type of win for you but...it's a big fail. Go sit down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 4, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, f7ben said: Please define “over rev” as it relates to a turbo motor Turbo motors also have a desired power band. Yes their over rev loses much less even by the time you hit your rev limiter. 2021 998 Cat loses 10 hp between 8600 and 9100. Yes adding boost (and at what point) can change this curve significantly but every motor will lose power at a certain point. Like the old Tcats most aftermarket pipes were more about where the peak HP was than how much it added. That's why companies could advertise 20 HP gain over stock and still be accurate. Was the 20 HP at 8500 where the factory sweet spot was....no it was at 8800 where stock pipes were down 15hp and you lost a ton clutched there with stock pipes but with an added 5hp over stock peak and 20 at 300 rpm higher made them fly. 8550 199.3 122.4 12.60 48.5 29.06 1.024 8.9 410 8600 199.8 122.0 12.62 48.5 29.05 1.024 9.4 412 8650 200.1 121.5 12.62 48.5 29.05 1.024 9.7 412 8700 200.1 120.8 12.62 48.5 29.05 1.024 9.9 412 8750 199.7 119.9 12.62 48.5 29.05 1.024 10.0 412 8800 199.1 118.8 12.61 48.5 29.05 1.024 10.0 412 8850 198.2 117.6 12.57 48.5 29.06 1.024 10.1 411 8900 196.7 116.1 12.48 48.5 29.06 1.024 10.1 411 8950 194.8 114.3 12.42 48.5 29.06 1.024 10.2 411 9000 193.7 113.0 12.41 48.5 29.06 1.024 10.3 411 9050 191.5 111.2 12.45 48.5 29.06 1.024 10.4 411 9100 189.8 109.5 12.55 48.5 29.06 1.024 10.4 411 Edited March 4, 2021 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, Highmark said: Turbo motors also have a desired power band. Ben says they don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 4, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, HSR said: Ben says they don't Well then my previous thoughts on Ben's turbo knowledge was WAAAAYYYY OOOOFFFF. Turbo motors fall off slower and a smaller percentage yes but there still is a sweet spot to clutch them between peak torque and rpm. Depends what you are clutching for, drag racing, twisty trails, radar runs, top speed..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, Highmark said: Well then my previous thoughts on Ben's turbo knowledge was WAAAAYYYY OOOOFFFF. Turbo motors fall off slower and a smaller percentage yes but there still is a sweet spot to clutch them between peak torque and rpm. Depends what you are clutching for, drag racing, twisty trails, radar runs, top speed..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Well then my previous thoughts on Ben's turbo knowledge was WAAAAYYYY OOOOFFFF. Turbo motors fall off slower and a smaller percentage yes but there still is a sweet spot to clutch them between peak torque and rpm. Depends what you are clutching for, drag racing, twisty trails, radar runs, top speed..... 1 minute ago, HSR said: x1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 4, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) The other thing about adding boost to turbo's is where the boost is added. When I first started boosting my 998 I had two different sets of tunes. Trail and "race." The trail tunes didn't add boost till a certain RPM was reached. I think around 7700. Done to keep trail mileage like stock. Personally I didn't like these. The so called race tunes added it more across the board. I thought they were way better. Fact is 75% of guys would look at you with the deer in the headlights look when you ask them about how their sled is back shifting. Edited March 4, 2021 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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