What if the lockdown was all a big mistake.

[AKIQPilot]

From California to New Jersey, Americans are protesting in the streets. They are demanding an end to house arrest orders given by government officials over a virus outbreak that even according to the latest US government numbers will claim fewer lives than the seasonal flu outbreak of 2017-2018.

Across the U.S., millions of businesses have been shut down by “executive order” and the unemployment rate has skyrocketed to levels not seen since the Great Depression. Americans, who have seen their real wages decline thanks to Federal Reserve monetary malpractice, are finding themselves thrust into poverty and standing in breadlines. It is like a horror movie, but it’s real.

Last week the U.N. secretary-general warned that a global recession resulting from the worldwide coronavirus lockdown could cause “hundreds of thousands of additional child deaths per year.” As of this writing, less than 170,000 have been reported to have died from the coronavirus worldwide.

Many Americans have also died this past month because they were not able to get the medical care they needed. Cancer treatments have been indefinitely postponed. Life-saving surgeries have been put off to make room for coronavirus cases. Meanwhile hospitals are laying off thousands because the expected coronavirus cases have not come and the hospitals are partially empty.

What if the “cure” is worse than the disease?

Countries like Sweden that did not lock down their economy and place the population under house arrest are faring no worse than countries that did. Sweden’s deaths-per-million from coronavirus is lower than in many lockdown countries.

Likewise, U.S. states that did not arrest citizens for merely walking on the beach are not doing worse than those that did. South Dakota governor Kristi Noem said last week, “we’ve been able to keep our businesses open and allow people to take on some personal responsibility.” South Dakota has recorded a total of seven coronavirus deaths.

Kentucky, a strict lockdown state, is five times more populated than South Dakota, yet it has some 20 times more coronavirus deaths. If lockdown and house arrest are the answer, shouldn’t those numbers be reversed, with South Dakota seeing mass death while Kentucky dodges the coronavirus bullet?

When Anthony Fauci first warned that 2 million would die, there was a race among federal, state, and local officials to see who could rip up the Constitution fastest. Then Fauci told us if we do what he says only a quarter of a million would die. They locked America down even harder. Then, with little more than a shrug of the shoulders, they announced that a maximum of 60,000 would die, but maybe less. That is certainly terrible, but it’s just a high-average flu season.

Imagine if we had used even a fraction of the resources spent to lock down the entire population and focused on providing assistance and protection to the most vulnerable – the elderly and those with serious medical conditions. We could have protected these people and still had an economy to go back to when the virus had run its course. And it wouldn’t have cost us $6 trillion either.

Governments have no right or authority to tell us what business or other activity is “essential.” Only in totalitarian states does the government claim this authority. We should encourage all those who are standing up peacefully and demanding an accounting from their elected leaders. They should not be able to get away with this.

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/april/20/what-if-the-lockdown-was-all-a-big-mistake/

Edited April 22, 2020 by AKIQPilot

[Anler]

I agree big mistake

[spin_dry]

I say open it all up. Let er buck. It’s just a cold. 

[ViperGTS/Z1]

6 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said:

 

Countries like Sweden that did not lock down their economy and place the population under house arrest are faring no worse than countries that did. Sweden’s deaths-per-million from coronavirus is lower than in many lockdown countries.

Likewise, U.S. states that did not arrest citizens for merely walking on the beach are not doing worse than those that did. South Dakota governor Kristi Noem said last week, “we’ve been able to keep our businesses open and allow people to take on some personal responsibility.” South Dakota has recorded a total of seven coronavirus deaths.

Kentucky, a strict lockdown state, is five times more populated than South Dakota, yet it has some 20 times more coronavirus deaths. If lockdown and house arrest are the answer, shouldn’t those numbers be reversed, with South Dakota seeing mass death while Kentucky dodges the coronavirus bullet?

When Anthony Fauci first warned that 2 million would die, there was a race among federal, state, and local officials to see who could rip up the Constitution fastest. Then Fauci told us if we do what he says only a quarter of a million would die. They locked America down even harder. Then, with little more than a shrug of the shoulders, they announced that a maximum of 60,000 would die, but maybe less. That is certainly terrible, but it’s just a high-average flu season.

Imagine if we had used even a fraction of the resources spent to lock down the entire population and focused on providing assistance and protection to the most vulnerable – the elderly and those with serious medical conditions. We could have protected these people and still had an economy to go back to when the virus had run its course. And it wouldn’t have cost us $6 trillion either.

Governments have no right or authority to tell us what business or other activity is “essential.” Only in totalitarian states does the government claim this authority. We should encourage all those who are standing up peacefully and demanding an accounting from their elected leaders. They should not be able to get away with this.

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/april/20/what-if-the-lockdown-was-all-a-big-mistake/

Good article....did not realize the bold.

I think it was a good idea to limit the big cities and Hotspots such as NYC.....but locking down the rest of the country was a mistake. Should.have been an as needed basis only and that is the approach we should take as flareups occur when reopening. 

[steve from amherst]

Protesting what? Not being able to go out to eat or to a movie? If I didn't do either one for a yr it would not bother me one bit. Aside from that my life hasn't changed . 

If they are the anarchists they like to believe they are they would just go ahead and do what they want to do

[Skidude600]

I believe the article had more to do with the effect the lockdown has had on businesses than personal freedoms, even though they go hand in hand for the most part. There certainly were measures that could have been taken to soften the blow. The businesses that have been allowed to stay open have made policy changes dealing with the covid. Why weren't all businesses afforded the same opportunities?

[Zambroski]

1 minute ago, Skidude600 said:

I believe the article had more to do with the effect the lockdown has had on businesses than personal freedoms, even though they go hand in hand for the most part. There certainly were measures that could have been taken to soften the blow. The businesses that have been allowed to stay open have made policy changes dealing with the covid. Why weren't all businesses afforded the same opportunities?

Bingo.

[jammin]

To me it's just weird not seeing people out and about having a good time.  Our Gov has gone off the rails with his latest extension to May 26th and the ridiculous requirements for things to open back up.  I could see more deaths resulting from people going off the rails than cv19 if this bullshit extended lockdown keeps going. 

[Anler]

Trump really fucked this up, now we are going to get Biden. Thanks alot Trump. 

[Highmark]

Locking down can make the spread worse.   People with an infected family member do not always have a place to go so now they are locked in their homes 24/7 with them. 

[Zambroski]

1 hour ago, jammin said:

To me it's just weird not seeing people out and about having a good time.  Our Gov has gone off the rails with his latest extension to May 26th and the ridiculous requirements for things to open back up.  I could see more deaths resulting from people going off the rails than cv19 if this bullshit extended lockdown keeps going. 

So far, I’m amazed our retarded brother to your “Gubner” hasn’t extended this lockdown.  There’s still time to really deal the final death blow to some businesses though!  

[jammin]

7 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

So far, I’m amazed our retarded brother to your “Gubner” hasn’t extended this lockdown.  There’s still time to really deal the final death blow to some businesses though!  

5k cases in our State and  300 passed. Of the 300,  20% were from something else but got the cv19 tag on their big toe is my guess.  Now, the chart which I don't think has changed.  Why is my question.  

[DriftBusta]

1 hour ago, Anler said:

Trump really fucked this up, now we are going to get Biden. Thanks alot Trump. 

100 bucks on that?

[snoughnut]

10 minutes ago, jammin said:

5k cases in our State and  300 passed. Of the 300,  20% were from something else but got the cv19 tag on their big toe is my guess.  Now, the chart which I don't think has changed.  Why is my question.  

I don't think it's a guess, I believe you're right.

Because he's a liberal twat. If keeps it until 5/26 he's gonna get some serious backlash.

[Mainecat]

I see all the dumb fuck right wing idiots got their marching orders. A few protest and it’s a huge crowd?

Let’s hope none of your family or friends die.

Pro lifers my fuckin ass.

[Angry ginger]

45 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Locking down can make the spread worse.   People with an infected family member do not always have a place to go so now they are locked in their homes 24/7 with them. 

   yes infecting the couple of people in your family is far worse than spreading it all around town.  

[Tinker]

 

Is it not blatently obvious what happens when this virus transmits from human contact ? People gonna have to live and work in a Hazmat mindset, it could start tomorrow in non densely populated areas if people are smart but we can not go back to high fives and belly buckin.

[Highmark]

Just now, Angry ginger said:

   yes infecting the couple of people in your family is far worse than spreading it all around town.  

Right over your head.   Studies are showing its much more likely spread by close contact within homes than touching a hand railing on a public stairs. 

[Highmark]

23 minutes ago, jammin said:

5k cases in our State and  300 passed. Of the 300,  20% were from something else but got the cv19 tag on their big toe is my guess.  Now, the chart which I don't think has changed.  Why is my question.  

NE region of Iowa has stay at home orders.  Might not be as restrictive as some states but we have it. 

[jammin]

2 minutes ago, Highmark said:

NE region of Iowa has stay at home orders.  Might not be as restrictive as some states but we have it. 

10-4.  I'm guessing not until 5-26 tho.  You head North yet or waiting this out a bit?    

[Angry ginger]

5 minutes ago, Highmark said:

NE region of Iowa has stay at home orders.  Might not be as restrictive as some states but we have it. 

well with those dirty fibs and Wisconsin deer fuckers being close i would hope so.  

[Dieselgeek]

44 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

So far, I’m amazed our retarded brother to your “Gubner” hasn’t extended this lockdown.  There’s still time to really deal the final death blow to some businesses though!  

I think now that MN is in a committee/coalition with 6 other states, they will all have the same lockdown dates eventually, otherwise no point of the committee. Then people blame a committee and not an individual governor! So prepare for similar dates as Wisconsin IMO (I'm an amateur guesser, results may vary). 

[spin_dry]

Typical all or nothing bullshit.  

[Highmark]

7 minutes ago, jammin said:

10-4.  I'm guessing not until 5-26 tho.  You head North yet or waiting this out a bit?    

April 30th.   Iowa was smart enough to break the state up into 7 regions.   There are 4-5 benchmarks on infection rates and what not that tally points.   Once a region reaches a total of 10 points the stay at home order is issued.   This is better than statewide but I think it should be by county or even smaller regions.   We are in the region with Cedar Rapids and Waterloo which are the somewhat hotspots in the state so we are shelter in place even though my county and the few around have far fewer and zero deaths. 

https://governor.iowa.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Public Health Proclamation - 2020.04.16 - Region 6.pdf

Wisconsin has sent us a letter saying we should not travel to our cabin until May 26th.   I'm just busy at work, hunting and planting so I don't have time but a letter from them would not stop me going to a property I own and pay taxes on.   Considering this is likely to linger some thru the summer we are thinking of not renting this summer and use it more for ourselves during that time.    

Edited April 22, 2020 by Highmark

[jammin]

5 minutes ago, Highmark said:

April 30th.   Iowa was smart enough to break the state up into 7 regions.   There are 4-5 benchmarks on infection rates and what not that tally points.   Once a region reaches a total of 10 points the stay at home order is issued.   This is better than statewide but I think it should be by county or even smaller regions.   We are in the region with Cedar Rapids and Waterloo which are the somewhat hotspots in the state so we are shelter in place even though my county and the few around have far fewer and zero deaths. 

https://governor.iowa.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Public Health Proclamation - 2020.04.16 - Region 6.pdf

Wisconsin has sent us a letter saying we should not travel to our cabin until May 26th.   I'm just busy at work, hunting and planting so I don't have time but a letter from them would not stop me going to a property I own and pay taxes on.   Considering this is likely to linger some thru the summer we are thinking of not renting this summer and use it more for ourselves during that time.    

10-4

I got the same letter from Oneida.  Might head up in a week or so but will let my year around neighbor know in advance and stay clear which wont be hard as they are 1/4 mile away.  Thats a good idea and sucks at the same time on the renting.