NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, frenchy said: Big bang is regularly referred to as the beginning of the universe In media publications. It's not. Or at least that can not be proven. A simple google search will show what I am talking about on page one. Provide a link man, show what you are talking about. Also, the beginning, and the cause for or of the beginning are not the same thing. The big bang works from the Plank Time onwards. This is what is colloquially refered to the beginning of our universe. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: The amazing part is , every year really smart people come up with incredible new ways to peer deeper and deeper into space. The closed minded ignorant can keep their heads in the sand. I'll direct my curiosity towards things being discovered by brilliant minds. Xmuthafuckin2 Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: The amazing part is , every year really smart people come up with incredible new ways to peer deeper and deeper into space. The closed minded ignorant can keep their heads in the sand. I'll direct my curiosity towards things being discovered by brilliant minds. who is burying their head in the sand? hell I'm around this stuff all the time the company I work for his a space division I was at the last 2 CASI conferences and our company had a booth at the IAF Astro Conference in Washington in October. The space issues are fascinating and so broad ranging. . I'm just pragmatic enough to know there are some things science is nowhere close to explaining, and probably never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 29, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 29, 2020 26 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Yet people claim to know a higher power had to create the universe... Neal Curious. When your views changed so dramatically on God. I thought I remember you being fairly spiritual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 29, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: How would it be possible for one to provide proof of supernatural being(s)? It seems silly to expect that anyone can. Neal Just because there is no proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: Curious. When your views changed so dramatically on God. I thought I remember you being fairly spiritual? For most it comes down to a loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 34 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Yet people claim to know a higher power had to create the universe... Neal It comes down to one or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: Just because there is no proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Sure, but an entity existing without proof or any interaction is pretty pointless... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 29, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: For most it comes down to a loss. I was never overly spiritual but more so than I am now and generally a loss can make that grow. For me it did the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: Just because there is no proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Nope! Scientists just declare it “extinct”. If it pops it’s head out somewhere they didn’t look...well, then they declare it a miraculous recovery! Their plan is all pretty bulletproof....really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: It comes down to one or the other. No... We have no idea what caused the universe to begin. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: No... We have no idea what caused the universe to begin. Neal No it really does come down to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: No it really does come down to it. Can you provide some evidence that is so... I already know the answer, as you have already done so with the school and media evidence... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Can you provide some evidence that is so... I already know the answer, as you have already done so with the school and media evidence... Neal What is the causality for the big Bang? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 29, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Sure, but an entity existing without proof or any interaction is pretty pointless... Neal So you feel that about certain scientific research like String Theory? Some theoretical physics fields haven't had any break thru's in 30 years if ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: What is the causality for the big Bang? 9 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: No... We have no idea what caused the universe to begin. Neal Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Highmark said: So you feel that about certain scientific research like String Theory? Some theoretical physics fields haven't had any break thru's in 30 years if ever. String theory (and the zoos of it)have math proofs and evidences to show it's validity. None claim to explain all aspects of our universe. Indeed. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Neal The law of cause and effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, NaturallyAspirated said: String theory (and the zoos of it)have math proofs and evidences to show it's validity. None claim to explain all aspects of our universe. Indeed. Neal Those math proofs are good. Okay. You can't make this shit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 6 hours ago, Highmark said: Absolutely. There is no proof to many that God exists but I've yet to see anything that proves without a shadow of a doubt he/she/it doesn't exist. Is it not strange that thru the millions of years of evolution only human's have evolved into the level of intelligence and sophistication? Is it not possible that the similarities in species (internal organs for example) might indicate intelligent design in some way? I'm not saying creationism but it does make one think. Nobody/nothing will EVER prove without a shadow of doubt that God doesn’t exist. Ever. How is that even a discussion point? 6 hours ago, frenchy said: Bill Maher for example always says belief in science and having faith are simply incompatible. I think that is flat out wrong with regards to this discussion in particular because nothing in science can prove how the universe came to be. And now I am being asked to show textbooks and school curricula Bill Maher is your example? Seriously? That’s about as relevant as Billy Graham in a religious discussion. One of those minority religious nuts you mentioned. 2 hours ago, frenchy said: Big bang is regularly referred to as the beginning of the universe In media publications. It's not. Or at least that can not be proven. A simple google search will show what I am talking about on page one. Big Bang is currently the best explanation we have for the universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, SSFB said: Nobody/nothing will EVER prove without a shadow of doubt that God doesn’t exist. Ever. How is that even a discussion point? Bill Maher is your example? Seriously? That’s about as relevant as Billy Graham in a religious discussion. One of those minority religious nuts you mentioned. Big Bang is currently the best explanation we have for the universe. If only we had any clue what might have caused it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: The law of cause and effect? You want to use properties inside the universe to determine properties outside of it? How can you justify that? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: If only we had any clue what might have caused it? Religious texts will never be evidence of a creator, no matter how much one wants them to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: You want to use properties inside the universe to determine properties outside of it? How can you justify that? Neal The law applies the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: If only we had any clue what might have caused it? We don't. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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