Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 29, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Prove spiderman doesn't exist GO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 43 minutes ago, frenchy said: so to clarify your position is that the Big Bang isn't referred to as the phenomena that created the universe when discussed in print or video? Well, he’s already forgotten and not real sure now but Google is going to let him know....soon! 9 minutes ago, Highmark said: Reality is we do not know the size of this universe, if its the only one, what caused it or if there is a higher power. We don't know what we don't know. Part of so called science is as known as whether or not their is a God. Bingo! It would seem some faith is needed in one’s beliefs. Hmmmmmm......interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, frenchy said: just trying to figure out what he's asking for. If lug flick has taught us anything it's that he can never be wrong even when proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. I think kneel is intelligent but this is also 1000% accurate. It's also a terrible personality trait and hinders being more intelligent Edited January 29, 2020 by washedupmxer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, washedupmxer said: I think kneel is intelligent but this is also 1000% accurate. It's also a terrible personality trait and hinders being smarter yet I like him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 29, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: That's why science refers to it as YHE KNOWN UNIVERSE fucking A man Dude there is much in the so called known universe or observable universe that our theories change on all the time. We even have a name for them. Superseded Theories. Edited January 29, 2020 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, f7ben said: That's why science refers to it as YHE KNOWN UNIVERSE fucking A man Bill Maher for example always says belief in science and having faith are simply incompatible. I think that is flat out wrong with regards to this discussion in particular because nothing in science can prove how the universe came to be. And now I am being asked to show textbooks and school curricula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, frenchy said: Bill Maher for example always says belief in science and having faith are simply incompatible. I think that is flat out wrong with regards to this discussion in particular because nothing in science can prove how the universe came to be. And now I am being asked to show textbooks and school curricula Just because science cant prove something currently does not mean that it needs to be explained by faith in the boogeyman That line of reasoning has been proven idiotic 100000000x so far through history Conversely not a single one of the million phenomenon men have given god credit for through history have been proven to be divine. Sweet fuck some of you just cant see it Edited January 29, 2020 by f7ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: Just because science cant prove something currently does not mean that it needs to be explained by faith in the boogeyman That line of reasoning has been proven idiotic 100000000x so far through history Conversely not a single one of the million phenomenon men have given god credit for through history have been proven to be divine. Sweet fuck some of you just cant see it belief in a higher power doesn't mean you believe man made religious fables. Your one track 'all or nothing' mind on this is bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, frenchy said: belief in a higher power doesn't mean you believe man made religious fables. Your one track 'all or nothing' mind on this is bizarre. Belief that a higher power had an intelligent hand in the known universe is faith. There is zero evidence for it. The only reason for faith at all is mans need to explain what is currently unexplained. It's a human flaw and one that science will eventually stamp out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, frenchy said: belief in a higher power doesn't mean you believe man made religious fables. Your one track 'all or nothing' mind on this is bizarre. This is why I won’t stand on the side of fake intellectuals screaming “Science!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, f7ben said: Belief that a higher power had an intelligent hand in the known universe is faith. There is zero evidence for it. The only reason for faith at all is mans need to explain what is currently unexplained. It's a human flaw and one that science will eventually stamp out. I have never claimed there was. That's why it's called 'faith'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmeeAgain Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Highmark said: Reality is we do not know the size of this universe, if its the only one, what caused it or if there is a higher power. We don't know what we don't know. Part of so called science is as known as whether or not their is a God. Light has been traveling to us for 13.8 billion years. We can't know what lies beyond or how far it is as the light hasn't reached us yet. We don't know a lot of shit, but one thig we can bank on, a bunch of arabs 2-3000 years ago didn't figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 29, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, SmeeAgain said: Light has been traveling to us for 13.8 billion years. We can't know what lies beyond or how far it is as the light hasn't reached us yet. We don't know a lot of shit, but one thig we can bank on, a bunch of arabs 2-3000 years ago didn't figure it out. Reality is what man has figured out is pretty fucking amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, Highmark said: Reality is what man has figured out is pretty fucking amazing. And we are figuring more and more complex shit out at a faster and faster rate. In 50 years we'll look back on mankind as we know it now and laugh at our primitive knowledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 hours ago, frenchy said: so to clarify your position is that the Big Bang isn't referred to as the phenomena that created the universe when discussed in print or video? The big bang is descriptive of after T=0 and onward. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Highmark said: Reality is we do not know the size of this universe, if its the only one, what caused it or if there is a higher power. We don't know what we don't know. Part of so called science is as known as whether or not their is a God. Yet people claim to know a higher power had to create the universe... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, frenchy said: Bill Maher for example always says belief in science and having faith are simply incompatible. I think that is flat out wrong with regards to this discussion in particular because nothing in science can prove how the universe came to be. And now I am being asked to show textbooks and school curricula Well you made a claim of what was being promoted and taught. The burden of proof for that claim lays on you. Do you have any, btw? You have had ample time to show some data. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, SmeeAgain said: Light has been traveling to us for 13.8 billion years. We can't know what lies beyond or how far it is as the light hasn't reached us yet. We don't know a lot of shit, but one thig we can bank on, a bunch of arabs 2-3000 years ago didn't figure it out. Not quite correct, the universe has inflated, and is expanding faster than light. Presently the observable universe is about 92-93 billion light years. Indeed we cannot see beyond that boundary at present but it is very reasonable to assume existence beyond that boundary. Neal Edited January 29, 2020 by NaturallyAspirated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, frenchy said: just trying to figure out what he's asking for. If lug flick has taught us anything it's that he can never be wrong even when proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. If you have something to show I am wrong about you are welcome to bring it up. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: Not quite correct, the universe has inflated, and is expanding faster than light. Presently the observable universe is about 92-93 billion light years around us. Indeed we cannot see beyond that boundary at present but it is very reasonable to assume existence beyond that boundary. Neal Existence of an infinite space devoid of light and matter. Or maybe there are countless other "universes" occupying the same universe and they are too far away for us to ever see their light. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Highmark said: Absolutely. There is no proof to many that God exists but I've yet to see anything that proves without a shadow of a doubt he/she/it doesn't exist. Is it not strange that thru the millions of years of evolution only human's have evolved into the level of intelligence and sophistication? Is it not possible that the similarities in species (internal organs for example) might indicate intelligent design in some way? I'm not saying creationism but it does make one think. How would it be possible for one to provide proof of supernatural being(s)? It seems silly to expect that anyone can. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, frenchy said: This was basically my point in my initial post in this thread before I got Neal'ed. Presently the supernatural cannot be addressed by science. There is no way to investigate the supernatural to prove or disprove it exists, or it it contains entities. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: Existence of an infinite space devoid of light and matter. Or maybe there are countless other "universes" occupying the same universe and they are too far away for us to ever see their light. Perhaps, but presently we have no way to test those hypothesis. They may be plausible, but not able to be proven. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Well you made a claim of what was being promoted and taught. The burden of proof for that claim lays on you. Do you have any, btw? You have had ample time to show some data. Neal Big bang is regularly referred to as the beginning of the universe In media publications. It's not. Or at least that can not be proven. A simple google search will show what I am talking about on page one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Perhaps, but presently we have no way to test those hypothesis. They may be plausible, but not able to be proven. Neal The amazing part is , every year really smart people come up with incredible new ways to peer deeper and deeper into space. The closed minded ignorant can keep their heads in the sand. I'll direct my curiosity towards things being discovered by brilliant minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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