frenchy Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: What's your thoughts on quantum entanglement and what happens if you cross the event horizon of a black hole? 'Siri. Give me a really hard astrophysics question to ask a stranger on a snowmobile forum I'm arguing with' Edited January 29, 2020 by frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: What's your thoughts on quantum entanglement and what happens if you cross the event horizon of a black hole? Look at you trying so hard to impress people you don't know and say you don't care about It's cute :patshead: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, frenchy said: 'Siri. Give me a really hard science question to ask a stranger on a snowmobile forum I'm arguing with' Those are only hard science questions if you don't know physics. Which clearly you do because of all this evidence you've presented... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, frenchy said: 'Siri. Give me a really hard science question to ask a stranger on a snowmobile forum I'm arguing with' how he hasn't made something great for humanity yet is simply amazing Edited January 29, 2020 by washedupmxer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, motonoggin said: Those are only hard science questions if you don't know physics. Which clearly you do because of all this evidence you've presented... when did you armchair physics? When you were manning wells with borderline illiterates making the same wage for a decade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, ACE said: A fondness brought about by familiarity over time? Sure if that's a definition of love you wish to use. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, frenchy said: when did you armchair physics? When you were manning wells with borderline illiterates making the same wage for a decade? I had lots of spare time and I like to learn new things. I should probably feel pretty shitty and think myself a loser for challenging myself and improving my understanding of the universe, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, motonoggin said: I had lots of spare time and I like to learn new things. I should probably feel pretty shitty and think myself a loser for challenging myself and improving my understanding of the universe, eh? Spaghettification!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, motonoggin said: What's your thoughts on quantum entanglement and what happens if you cross the event horizon of a black hole? Is that a hypothesis or theory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I had lots of spare time and I like to learn new things. I should probably feel pretty shitty and think myself a loser for challenging myself and improving my understanding of the universe, eh? Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Poli Sci, Economics, Astrophysics, Science. What subjects that you have self taught yourself to college grad level understanding of while manning wells am I missing? Edited January 29, 2020 by frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Is that a hypothesis or theory? Quantum entanglement has been demonstrated to be real, repeatable, and predictable. It is part of an overarching set of laws known as quantum mechanics. What happens after you cross the event horizon is just hypothesis and will probably never move beyond that because the flow of information is only one way (down/in) past the event horizon. Ergo, conducting experiments to test a hypothesis would never be successful due to the lack of a two way flow of information. 10 minutes ago, frenchy said: Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Poli Sci, Economics, Astrophysics. What subjects that you have self taught yourself to college grad level understanding while manning wells am I missing? Something, I'm sure. Edited January 29, 2020 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, frenchy said: your arrogance is showing. Again. I know what it is. But it doesn't 'best' explain anything. NOTHING about it can credibly assess what existed before it happened. Nothing. And I know deep down it drives guys like you nuts because it just doesn't provide any of the answers you have fooled yourself into believing it does. That's fine, I'm ok with that. You obviously don't. A scientific theory is the modeling that explains reality via facts and evidences. The big bang is the best theory we presently have to explain the early time of our universe, from T=0 onward. The big bang theory has nothing to say before T=0, and it doesn't claim to. This is where you obviously don't understand what the theory is. You keep on with the origin like science has answered it, and that simply is not the case. We (as humans) don't know what happened before T=0. There are presented speculation and hypothesis, but we have no theory about before T=0. It is certainly possible we will never know or be able to investigate that domain either. I am perfectly fine saying I don't know what caused the universe to begin, or what caused the big bang. Maybe someone will present a model we can test, or present an observation to be made, but for now we are stuck with not knowing. Religion is stuck in the same boat (deist or theist claims of origin/God/creation). There has not been a model presented that give predictions, or has testable parameters. Neal Edited January 29, 2020 by NaturallyAspirated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev144 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: That's fine, I'm ok with that. You obviously don't. A scientific theory is the modeling that explains reality via facts and evidences. The big bang is the best theory we presently have to explain the early time of our universe, from T=0 onward. The big bang theory has nothing to say before T=0, and it doesn't claim to. This is where you obviously don't understand what the theory is. You keep on with the origin like science has answered it, and that simply is not the case. We (as humans) don't know what happened before T=0. There are presented speculation and hypothesis, but we have no theory about before T=0. It is certainly possible we will never know or be able to investigate that domain either. I am perfectly fine saying I don't know what caused the universe to begin, or what caused the big bang. Maybe someone will present a model we can test, or present an observation to be made, but for now we are stuck with not knowing. Religion is stuck in the same boat (deist or theist claims of origin/God/creation). There has not been a model presented that give predictions, or has testable parameters. Neal Gud poast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: More than not, life requires intelligent design. No it doesn't. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: The absolute sheer ignorance of science and the scientific process on display here, especially by supposedly learned people, is kinda frightening. Indeed. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, frenchy said: free do-overs. Cool! When better information come to light absolutely. The scientific method is all about providing better explanations. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: That's fine, I'm ok with that. You obviously don't. A scientific theory is the modeling that explains reality via facts and evidences. The big bang is the best theory we presently have to explain the early time of our universe, from T=0 onward. The big bang theory has nothing to say before T=0, and it doesn't claim to. This is where you obviously don't understand what the theory is. You keep on with the origin like science has answered it, and that simply is not the case. We (as humans) don't know what happened before T=0. There are presented speculation and hypothesis, but we have no theory about before T=0. It is certainly possible we will never know or be able to investigate that domain either. I am perfectly fine saying I don't know what caused the universe to begin, or what caused the big bang. Maybe someone will present a model we can test, or present an observation to be made, but for now we are stuck with not knowing. Religion is stuck in the same boat (deist or theist claims of origin/God/creation). There has not been a model presented that give predictions, or has testable parameters. Neal Good post. I think he understands it just fine, he's just trying to strawman the theory into saying something it doesn't. And my hypothesis is that the reason for that is he's trying to protect a deep seeded belief that he feels is challenged by the theory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, ACE said: It’s like, believing communism is good even though it’s been tried many times with devastating consequences That's religion all right, humans need thousands of variations and denominations because it's been tried and tried... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kev144 said: Gud poast Not really. The big Bang doesnt really explain what happened with T0 onward. Edited January 29, 2020 by ArcticCrusher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 This is a great channel on YouTube that does a great job explaining complex ideas: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 No fucking chance arcticrusher understands one fucking lick of that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, frenchy said: not at all. I'm not even religious per se. I believe in a higher power but have no idea what that is. It certainly isn't in the traditional sense of a 'god' and a heaven and hell. quite simply science provides zero answers to how the universe was created and the path from it's inception to where we are today. None. I think we know whose butts that hurts. There isn't a theory that provides model and evidence that describes before T=0. There is no claim in science that we know. Its simply unknown, and with current understanding it doesn't appear knowable. You appeal to solving a mystery with another mystery. It doesn't do anything to advance our shared understanding, knowledge or truth. Faith simply isn't a pathway to truth. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Not really. The big Bang doesnt really explain what happened with T0 onward. Yes it does... that's kind of it's whole deal. Sweet fuck. Neal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: No fucking chance arcticrusher understands one fucking lick of that Doesn't seem to... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 Science is so retarded.....how do they know light can go 186,000 miles per second. No radar gun can.measure that fast. Does light have like a speedometer on it or something. Stupid scientists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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