NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: That's no longer the belief now is it? To some it is. There are hypothesis that exist that show we could be part of a continual universe. We simply do not know... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, SSFB said: See the edit. Religion/theism/creationism........anybody who believes in a creator. What's the means behind the creator's total existence? What's the odds behind the creator existing without any cause? All way into the impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Yes. Faith and beliefs. Theories aren’t laws and the Bible shouldn’t be taken literally. Scientists and their theories are flawed, just like religion and it’s theories. It’s pretty simple really, and...my sig line. Is Science flawed? Absolutely. It's done by humans who are flawed. But it's not flawed "just like religion" because Science has results and religion has nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: I don't really care much for the Bible (OT) version at least, it has held up. No, it has not held up. It has massive flaws that do not describe what science does. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: To some it is. There are hypothesis that exist that show we could be part of a continual universe. We simply do not know... Neal So we really don't know shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: So we really don't know shit. We know tons of stuff thanks to science. We dont know fuck all because of faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: We know tons of stuff thanks to science. We dont know fuck all because of faith. Yes because in earlier times the Christian nations were so far scientifically ahead of their heathen neighbors it wasn't even funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: So we really don't know shit. Knowing the cause of the origin doesn't mean we don't know shit about how the universe developed however. We know quite a bit about that. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Yes because in earlier times the Christian nations were so far scientifically ahead of their heathen neighbors it wasn't even funny. LOL, nice try deflecting with comparing the Christian nations to the mud hut dwellers while ignoring the persecution of those who dared oppose the church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, SSFB said: Is Science flawed? Absolutely. It's done by humans who are flawed. But it's not flawed "just like religion" because Science has results and religion has nothing. Faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Yes because in earlier times the Christian nations were so far scientifically ahead of their heathen neighbors it wasn't even funny. Science evolved with humanity and not just because of Christian theology. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, Zambroski said: Faith. No, faith is an excuse to believe without good reason, science offers reason based theories. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Faith. Science can reliably predict things. It can predict the exact minute that a full eclipse passes over an area and puts it in complete darkness. When things can be reliably predicted, that's the opposite of faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: Science evolved with humanity and not just because of Christian theology. Neal Christians drove it. That is a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, SSFB said: LOL, nice try deflecting with comparing the Christian nations to the mud hut dwellers while ignoring the persecution of those who dared oppose the church. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: Christians drove it. That is a fact. For a time sure. So did ancient Greeks, Romans, as did Muslims for a time when Christianity was in the dark ages. Science has evolved with humanity, not because of a specific religion. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Explains why Yahweh has so much bloodlust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, SSFB said: Explains why Yahweh has so much bloodlust. Indeed. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, SSFB said: Explains why Yahweh has so much bloodlust. When people think they are his/her work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: No, faith is an excuse to believe without good reason, science offers reason based theories. Neal Faith doesn’t require a reason or an excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Faith doesn’t require a reason or an excuse. You're right there, faith is belief without reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, SSFB said: Science can reliably predict things. It can predict the exact minute that a full eclipse passes over an area and puts it in complete darkness. When things can be reliably predicted, that's the opposite of faith. Sure but we have no idea as to why these objects are in orbit to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Sure but we have no idea as to why these objects are in orbit to begin with. So what? Science is the best mechanism we have to explain phenomenon, if you have something that can explain it better, provide it. Your post is like when Moto says "but there's still poor people!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, SSFB said: You're right there, faith is belief without reason. It's also not unreasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, SSFB said: So what? Science is the best mechanism we have to explain phenomenon, if you have something that can explain it better, provide it. Your post is like when Moto says "but there's still poor people!". Science can only explain when something already exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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