ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, SSFB said: Religious texts will never be evidence of a creator, no matter how much one wants them to be. Something caused it if it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: We don't. Neal That's your religion then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: The law applies the same. Do you have the ability to demonstrate that? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: That's your religion then. Not in the least. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Something caused it if it happened. If the universe requires a creator, then the creator requires a creator. I know enough to say I don’t know what/how/who caused the Bing Bang to happen, if anything. It’s beyond my understanding and yours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Something caused it if it happened. We don't know. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Where did this stupid deference to divinity when an issue is without explanation evolve? It's so fucking weird I cant grasp it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, SSFB said: If the universe requires a creator, then the creator requires a creator. I know enough to say I don’t know what/how/who caused the Bing Bang to happen, if anything. It’s beyond my understanding and yours. No it doesn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Where did this stupid deference to divinity when an issue is without explanation evolve? It's so fucking weird I cant grasp it You can't grasp the material stock market. Grasp that first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: No it doesn't. Then where did the creator come from? It's the same circular logic as what you're applying to the big bang you fucking idiot God damn you're racer dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: You can't grasp the material stock market. Grasp that first. Oh deep, derpy derp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, f7ben said: Then where did the creator come from? It's the same circular logic as what you're applying to the big bang you fucking idiot God damn you're racer dumb Either the universe was created by a creator, or it was created on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, SSFB said: If the universe requires a creator, then the creator requires a creator. I know enough to say I don’t know what/how/who caused the Bing Bang to happen, if anything. It’s beyond my understanding and yours. It's far beyond our understanding, but what we do know about this material universe is things don't just pop into existence. Yet here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: No it doesn't. Explain how a Creator can exist without being created but a Universe can’t. Just now, ArcticCrusher said: It's far beyond our understanding, but what we do know about this material universe is things don't just pop into existence. Yet here we are. We know that as much as we know that God has never once revealed himself to the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, SSFB said: Explain how a Creator can exist without being created but a Universe can’t. We know that as much as we know that God has never once revealed himself to the world. It comes down to philosophy more than science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: It comes down to philosophy more than science. Simple fact is that if you believe that one of them requires a creator but that the other doesn't, then you're participating in some bizarre doublethink. I personally don't believe the big bang came from nothing, that doesn't even make sense to me. But that doesn't mean that religion/theism/creationism has any clue on the who/what/how. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: It comes down to philosophy more than science. Yes. Faith and beliefs. Theories aren’t laws and the Bible shouldn’t be taken literally. Scientists and their theories are flawed, just like religion and it’s theories. It’s pretty simple really, and...my sig line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Either the universe was created by a creator, or it was created on its own. Or it has always existed. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, Zambroski said: Yes. Faith and beliefs. Theories aren’t laws and the Bible shouldn’t be taken literally. Scientists and their theories are flawed, just like religion and it’s theories. It’s pretty simple really, and...my sig line. Theories are more expansive than laws. Theories have multiple sources of explanation and evidences. Laws describe a single topic/fact. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, SSFB said: Simple fact is that if you believe that one of them requires a creator but that the other doesn't, then you're participating in some bizarre doublethink. I personally don't believe the big bang came from nothing, that doesn't even make sense to me. But that doesn't mean that religion is even in the same universe(pun intended) in explaining the who/what/how. You lost me at religion. I believe there was a means behind our total existence. The odds of all this forming without any cause is extraordinary to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Or it has always existed. Neal That's no longer the belief now is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: You lost me at religion. I believe there was a means behind our total existence. The odds of all this forming without any cause is extraordinary to say the least. You are appealing to a mystery with a bigger mystery. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: You lost me at religion. I believe there was a means behind our total existence. The odds of all this forming without any cause is extraordinary to say the least. See the edit. Religion/theism/creationism........anybody who believes in a creator. What's the means behind the creator's total existence? What's the odds behind the creator existing without any cause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Yes. Faith and beliefs. Theories aren’t laws and the Bible shouldn’t be taken literally. Scientists and their theories are flawed, just like religion and it’s theories. It’s pretty simple really, and...my sig line. I don't really care much for the Bible (OT) version at least, it has held up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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