The Progressive Case for Hillary Clinton Is Pretty Overwhelming

[T1R9sledder]

Mother Jones??? Seriously....WTF.....you keep carrying the water for her.....SR has nothing on you.

[racer254]

4 minutes ago, Highmark said:

All the people that work or have worked for him I have yet to hear someone call him bigoted, sexist, racist or xenophobic.  Good to see you fall for the left wing MSM propaganda.

You are exactly why I hate liberals.   Just because someone takes a stance on illegals or terrorism or crime they are automatically bigoted in some way.   What the fuck is wrong with you people?

x2

Edited September 20, 2016 by racer254

[Momorider]

1 hour ago, Mainecat said:

Is she qualified to be president?

No not even remotely  

[Highmark]

Just now, Momorider said:

No not even remotely  

Welcome to MC's morning beating.  

[Momorider]

1 hour ago, Mainecat said:

Thought this was interesting. Many others would have just stopped caring or retired.

The Progressive Case for Hillary Clinton Is Pretty Overwhelming

Kevin DrumSep. 19, 2016 7:45 AM

For a lot of liberals, the most important goal of this election is to keep Donald Trump out of the White House. And since Trump naturally sucks up most of the political oxygen, that means lots of blogging about Trump and not so much about Clinton.

But a lot of lefties aren't happy about that. They want a positive argument in favor of voting for Clinton, not just a negative one for voting against Trump. That's fair enough, so I figured I'd put one together.

But I should be crystal clear here: Nobody should take this as an attempt to demonstrate that Clinton is perfect or to persuade you to vote for her. If you think she's too instinctively hawkish—as I do—that might be reason enough for a liberal to vote for someone else. On some issues—supporting the Iraq War, supporting the Trans-Pacific Partnership, voting for the Patriot Act, etc.—she's taken positions that might be flat deal killers. On other issues, you might think she's not strong enough, or that it took her too long to get to the right place. Finally, on a personal level, she's often oversecretive, overly lawyerly, and sometimes skates a little close to some ethical lines. She distrusts the press and withholds information too often. And she is, plainly, an establishment politician, with all the flaws that implies.

On the other hand, no successful politician is ever perfect. Franklin D. Roosevelt signed on to lots of compromises that liberals detested. Ronald Reagan did the same with conservatives. Clinton will too. There are just too many competing interests in a pluralistic country like America to expect anything else. But all that said, the liberal case for Clinton remains pretty overwhelming. The following list is by no means exhaustive, but here it is:

1. In 1995, despite strong pressure from diplomats and White House aides to remain low-key, she went to China and said, "Human rights are women's rights, and women's rights are human rights." LIE
2. She worked her heart out for health care reform in 1993.LIE
3. She now supports Obamacare, and supports expanding it.LIE
4. She supports increasing the federal minimum wage to $12 per hour. This is good for workers, but less likely to have downsides than a national level of $15.LIE
5. She supported comprehensive immigration reform in 2007 and continues to support it.LIE
6. She was a prime mover behind the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, and was a key figure in finding compromises that allowed it to pass after partisan bickering nearly sank it.LIE
7. Sen. Sherrod Brown: "As much as we want to move this country forward, you gotta cajole, persuade, work with, whatever it takes. And I think she does that better than about anybody I know."LIE
8. She supports LGBT rights.LIE
9. She worked with Attorney General Janet Reno to create the Justice Department's Office on Violence Against Women.LIE
10. She was one of the prime movers behind SCHIP, the State Children's Health Insurance Program, eventually signed into law by Bill Clinton.LIE
11. She pushed the Adoption and Safe Families Act through Congress.LIE
12. She was instrumental in the founding of the Center for American Progress.LIE
13. She has been the target of countless baseless attacks but has always rebounded and kept on working anyway.LIE
14. President Barack Obama: "What sets Hillary apart is that through it all, she just keeps on going, and she doesn't stop caring, and she doesn't stop trying, and she never stops fighting for us—even if we haven't always appreciated it."LIE
15. She voted against both of George Bush's tax giveaways to the rich.LIE
16. LIEShe favors closing the carried-interest loophole.LIE
17. Jill Abramson, who covered Bill and Hillary Clinton critically for more than two decades, first in the Washington bureau of the Wall Street Journal and later at the New York Times, says this about Hillary Clinton: "Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest and trustworthy…There are no instances I know of where Clinton was doing the bidding of a donor or benefactor."LIE
18. She supports legislation to end racial profiling at all levels of government.LIE
19. She wants to clean up the toxic lead remaining in soil, water, and paint.LIE
20. As secretary of state, she was tireless in traveling the world to repair the damage to our reputation from the Bush years.LIE
21. German chancellor Angela Merkel: "I admire her strategic thinking…Whenever I was able to work with Hillary Clinton, it was a great pleasure."LIE
22. She wants to reduce mandatory minimum sentences for nonviolent drug offenses.
23. She voted for TARP.LIE
24. She was the principal author of the sanctions on Iran that brought them to the bargaining table.
25. She then began the secret negotiations with Iran that eventually led to the treaty stopping their work on nuclear weapons.LIE
26. She supports Dodd-Frank.LIE
27. At the age of 29 she co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families advocacy group.LIE
28. She is annoyed by airline bag fees.LIE
29. She supports a higher tax rate on the very rich.LIE
30. She supports the Paris Climate Agreement and has endorsed a plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 30 percent by 2025 and 80 percent by 2050.LIE
31. She wants to restore voting rights to felons who have served their sentences.LIE
32. She was one of the original co-sponsors of the Employee Free Choice Act, which would have implemented card check.LIE
33. She has literally spent her entire adult life advocating for children and women.LIE
34. Sen. Barbara Boxer: "She is authentic. Hillary is Hillary, and she's not going to become a cheerleader with pom-poms."LIE
35. She supports automatic voter registration at age 18.LIE
36. She has a lifetime score of 94 percent from the AFL-CIO and 98 percent from AFSCME.LIE
37. She pushed through State Department regulations that gave same-sex couples most of the same rights as straight couples.LIE
38. She supports universal pre-K.LIE
39. She has set a goal of producing one-third of the nation's electricity from renewable sources by 2027, three years before Obama's deadline.LIE
40. She wants to expand home visiting programs, one of the best known ways to improve child development.LIE
41. She wants to spend $275 billion (over five years) on rebuilding infrastructure.LIE
42. She was instrumental in securing help for New York's 9/11 first responders.LIE
43. In the Senate, she fought Republican attempts to privatize Social Security.LIE
44. She spent 11 hours testifying in front of the Benghazi committee and made Republicans look like idiots.LIE
45. She supports net neutrality.LIE
46. She would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court.LIE
47. She would also nominate liberal judges to the lower courts.LIE
48. She supports a plan that allows people over 55 to buy into Medicare.LIE
49. She co-sponsored the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008.LIE
50. She is pro-choice and supports the right of all women to have access to affordable contraception and safe and legal abortion.LIE
51. She wants to prevent pharmaceutical companies from jacking up the price of long-standing drugs.LIE
52. She supports the addition of a public option to Obamacare.LIE
53. She wants to overturn Citizens United.LIE
54. She has fought for decades for increased funding for HIV treatment and research.LIE
55. She wants to restore the portions of the Voting Rights Act that were recently struck down by the Supreme Court.LIE
56. She supports Obama's efforts to normalize relations with Cuba.LIE
57. She wants to beef up antitrust enforcement.LIE
58. She worked to ensure ratification of the New START treaty with Russia.LIE
59. She wants to impose a tax on high-frequency trading.LIE
60. She's a big supporter of the Environmental Protection Agency's Clean Power Plan to regulate carbon emissions from power plants.LIE
61. In the Senate, she had a very good reputation as someone who could work across the aisle to get things done. Her word was always good.LIE
62. Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse on his Republican colleagues in the Senate: "Two of them, her very prominent antagonists in this election, and one looked over at the other and said, 'Boy, she's good.' The other one leaned back and said, 'Yeah, she's really good.' And that's the Hillary that they know. Not the talking points Hillary or the caricature, but the real person."LIE
63. She wants to tighten regulation of the shadow banking system, one of the prime causes of the crash of 2008.LIE
64. She wants to strengthen the Volcker Rule.LIE
65. She supports DACA and DAPA, the "mini-DREAM" executive orders.LIE
66. She supports 12 weeks of paid leave for new mothers or to recover from a serious illness.LIE
67. As first lady, she fought for the Family Medical Leave Act. As a senator, she worked to expand FMLA to cover wounded soldiers and their families.LIE
68. She has long supported gender equality efforts around the world.LIE
69. She has legendary stamina and endurance.LIE
70. Sen. Al Franken: "She is the toughest, most experienced, hardest-working person I know."LIE
71. As secretary of state, she personally negotiated the 2012 ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.LIE
72. She has a 100 percent rating from both NARAL and Planned Parenthood.LIE
73. In the Senate, she co-sponsored the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.LIE
74. She did not kill Vince Foster.LIE
75. She did not issue a "stand down" order after the Benghazi attack.LIE
76. She didn't flip-flop on the bankruptcy bill.LIE
77. She didn't steal the primary from Bernie Sanders.LIE
78. She did not mishandle classified information or conspire to evade FOIA requests when she set up her email account on a private server.LIE
79. She did not loot the White House when she and Bill left in 2001.LIE
80. She had nothing to do with Filegate.LIE
81. She didn't dole out any favors to Clinton Foundation donors when she was secretary of state.LIE
82. She did nothing wrong in the Whitewater affair.LIE
83. She referred to "super-predators" precisely once, 20 years ago in a context that referred solely to members of drug gangs.LIE
84. She probably overreacted to the financial misconduct in the White House travel office, but ultimately did nothing seriously wrong in the Travelgate affair.LIE

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/09/progressive-case-hillary-clinton-overwhelming

 

[Skidooski]

Ok so somewhere between Maincat's post and Momo's edit lies the truth

[SmeeAgain]

Well shit, I guess I may have to vote for her because I'm annoyed by airline bag fees too! #28 

[ArcticCrusher]

1 hour ago, Highmark said:

Asking yourself that question?

More pro Clinton posts from the "anti-Clinton" MC.     God you are a piece of work.  

 

He is trying to brainwash himself into voting for Hillary.  Looks like he is doing an admirable job.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, Mainecat said:

So vote for the bigoted, sexist, racist, xenophobic ego maniac and reality TV con man with zero government experience? ....because?

This is why he thinks this way.... the perfect minion...

[SnowRider]

1 hour ago, Mainecat said:

Can anyone deny any of the authors points with proof they are wrong?

 

1 hour ago, Mainecat said:

Trump blows her away in the lying contest.....NEXT!

Excellent points MC.  In the spirit of good discussion and debate....I'm still looking for someone on the other side to articulate a response.  So far - I've read several posts filled with animosity and names......and this is my first post in the thread. 

[Zambroski]

Just now, SnowRider said:

 

Excellent points MC.  In the spirit of good discussion and debate....I'm still looking for someone on the other side to articulate a response.  So far - I've read several posts filled with animosity and names......and this is my first post in the thread. 

Excellent points MC.  In the spirit of good discussion and debate....I'm still looking for someone on the other side to articulate a response.  So far - I've read several posts filled with animosity and names......and this is my first post in the thread. 

[SnowRider]

SnowRider is the smartest poster on FSCE. 

[Skidooski]

23 minutes ago, SmeeAgain said:

Well shit, I guess I may have to vote for her because I'm annoyed by airline bag fees too! #28 

That's it! She might just have my vote now that I see she has a clear platform of important issues she'd like to get resolved. Hopefully she speaks out about window treatments next.

[Zambroski]

Just now, SnowRider said:

SnowRider is the smartest poster on FSCE. 

SnowRider is the smartest poster on FSCE. 

[Skidooski]

7 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

SnowRider is the smartest poster on FSCE. 

 It took him hours to finally think of this!  

[Mainecat]

2 hours ago, Highmark said:

All the people that work or have worked for him I have yet to hear someone call him bigoted, sexist, racist or xenophobic.  Good to see you fall for the left wing MSM propaganda.

You are exactly why I hate liberals.   Just because someone takes a stance on illegals or terrorism or crime they are automatically bigoted in some way.   What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Have you not watched any of his rallies?

[Mainecat]

1 hour ago, Highmark said:

Welcome to MC's morning beating.  

The beating your taking is my thread topic. Trump is in no way presidential.

[Capt.Storm]

Just now, Mainecat said:

The beating your taking is my thread topic. Trump is in no way presidential.

He's going to be..soon.

[Skidooski]

Just now, Mainecat said:

The beating your taking is my thread topic. Trump is in no way presidential.

Neither of them are nor is that sell out Bernie. Wake up

[Mainecat]

1 hour ago, SnowRider said:

 

Excellent points MC.  In the spirit of good discussion and debate....I'm still looking for someone on the other side to articulate a response.  So far - I've read several posts filled with animosity and names......and this is my first post in the thread. 

You will not get one here. Just filled with personal attacks. I asked no answers.

[SnowRider]

4 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

Neither of them are nor is that sell out Bernie. Wake up

You've avoided answering the questions because you know the real sell outs are guys like Moto and Jimmy.....Bernie is not a sell out and has determined his best avenue to see his policies to fruition is through a Clinton administration and not Dumps admin. 

In the spirit of your constant banter towards MC.....you're supporting Dump  

Edited September 20, 2016 by SnowRider

[Kivalo]

Snowdummy can you do more than parrot talking points?

[Highmark]

7 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Have you not watched any of his rallies?

Yes.   I don't see how that makes him a bigot.  

Are you a bigot MC?   Are you a bigot if you hate the Japanese?  You've readily admitted to this a number of times over the years.  

[Zambroski]

4 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

You've avoided answering the questions because you know the real sell outs are guys like Moto and Jimmy.....Bernie is not a sell out and has determined his best avenue to see his policies to fruition is through a Clinton administration and not Dumps admin. 

In the spirit of your constant banter towards MC.....you're supporting Dump  

You've avoided answering the questions because you know the real sell outs are guys like Moto and Jimmy.....Bernie is not a sell out and has determined his best avenue to see his policies to fruition is through a Clinton administration and not Dumps admin. 

In the spirit of your constant banter towards MC.....you're supporting Dump  

[Edmo]

10 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

You've avoided answering the questions because you know the real sell outs are guys like Moto and Jimmy.....Bernie is not a sell out and has determined his best avenue to see his policies to fruition is through a Clinton administration and not Dumps admin. 

In the spirit of your constant banter towards MC.....you're supporting Dump  

Keep saying it, doesn't make it true. She adopted some of his policies after seeing him get traction with them. If she wins, you'll hear nothing more about it, guaranteed.

He sold out, plain and simple.