karma

[Snoslinger]

lions 1 idiot 0

 

JOHANNESBURG (AFP) -
A suspected poacher was mauled to death and eaten by a pack of lions close to the Kruger National Park in South Africa, police said Monday, adding that little was left of the victim's body.

The remains were found at the weekend in the bush at a private game park near Hoedspruit in the northern province of Limpopo, where animals have been poached in increasing numbers over recent years.

"It seems the victim was poaching in the game park when he was attacked and killed by lions. They ate his body, nearly all of it, and just left his head and some remains," Limpopo police spokesman Moatshe Ngoepe told AFP.

A loaded hunting rifle was found near the body on Saturday morning. Police are trying to establish the victim's identity.

http://www.france24.com/en/20180212-suspected-poacher-eaten-lions-south-africa

[Snoslinger]

"Police are trying to establish the victim's identity."

hopefully it's one of the trump boys 

 

[Zambroski]

Good.  They left his head.  Animals try to stay away from eating shit.

[Zambroski]

1 minute ago, Snoslinger said:

"Police are trying to establish the victim's identity."

hopefully it's one of the trump boys 

 

No, I’m sure it was a “BLM” advocate.  They make good decisions.

[Whiskey Tango Foxtrot]

5 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

"Police are trying to establish the victim's identity."

hopefully it's one of the trump boys 

 

Maybe someone with dirt on Killery? Another "accident"?

[steve from amherst]

good , fuck him.

[DriftBusta]

1 hour ago, Snoslinger said:

"Police are trying to establish the victim's identity."

hopefully it's one of the trump boys 

 

Real classy

[ICEMAN!]

3 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

Real classy

Don’t be such a Snowflake 

[Snoslinger]

8 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

Real classy

as is what they do to get their jollies. don't take it so personal, I hate anyone who does this shit, r or d.

 

 

 

Edited February 12, 2018 by Snoslinger

[Highmark]

1 hour ago, Snoslinger said:

as is what they do to get their jollies. don't take it so personal, I hate anyone who does this shit, r or d.

 

 

 

You hate people that hunt?  

[Snoslinger]

6 minutes ago, Highmark said:

You hate people that hunt?  

I hate people that pretend they're hunting and kill exotic and endangered species for either money or sick thrills. the vast amount of hunters don't fall in that category.

 

[Highmark]

Just now, Snoslinger said:

I hate people that pretend they're hunting and kill exotic and endangered species for either money or sick thrills. the vast amount of hunters don't fall in that category.

 

While that type of hunting isn't for me the reality is these animals are a natural resource that these areas choose to use for economic gain.  The meat of these harvests are generally distributed far and wide to villages who it supports.   While this might not be the case for big cats but it is for everything else.  

I highly doubt this type of hunting LEGALLY includes endangered species.   

[Dave]

5 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

I hate people that pretend they're hunting and kill exotic and endangered species for either money or sick thrills. the vast amount of hunters don't fall in that category.

 

Id have to agree with you on this.

[mtnloverxtreme2]

3 hours ago, Snoslinger said:

"Police are trying to establish the victim's identity."

hopefully it's one of the trump boys 

 

it is probably a wog that was trying to sell parts and feed his family. 90% of poachers are natives

[Whiskey Tango Foxtrot]

24 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

I hate people that pretend they're hunting and kill exotic and endangered species for either money or sick thrills. the vast amount of hunters don't fall in that category.

 

 

21 minutes ago, Highmark said:

While that type of hunting isn't for me the reality is these animals are a natural resource that these areas choose to use for economic gain.  The meat of these harvests are generally distributed far and wide to villages who it supports.   While this might not be the case for big cats but it is for everything else.  

I highly doubt this type of hunting LEGALLY includes endangered species.   

I agree with both. Highmark has a valid point, as does slinger. I have no problem as long as the animal is used, hunting just to have a head on your wall is BS IMO. They do distribute a lot of the animal around the region though, so if it's handled that way, I'm OK with it. I did get a chuckle out of the elephant tail though. Who wants an old man penis hanging over the mantle... 

[Mainecat]

Fishing in a barrel........how fuckin lame. I picture the lion standing there with juniors dick in his paw.

[Highmark]

5 minutes ago, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot said:

 

I agree with both. Highmark has a valid point, as does slinger. I have no problem as long as the animal is used, hunting just to have a head on your wall is BS IMO. They do distribute a lot of the animal around the region though, so if it's handled that way, I'm OK with it. I did get a chuckle out of the elephant tail though. Who wants an old man penis hanging over the mantle... 

The big cats I don't understand but if there is enough of them then so be it.   What people don't also realize is much of the funds goes to catching poachers and other illegal methods of harvesting game.   For example the locals kill the Cat's if they are a threat to their livestock.   Hunting keeps the numbers of predators in balance so they don't have to go looking for easy kills because of natural pressure on them.  There is much more to it than just wealthy people killing animals.  

What I really don't understand is letting some of the pictures released to the public.  Just no reason for it other than "look at me."  

Edited February 12, 2018 by Highmark

[Whiskey Tango Foxtrot]

1 minute ago, Mainecat said:

Fishing in a barrel........how fuckin lame. I picture the lion standing there with juniors dick in his paw.

That's too much insight into your perverted head... 

[Whiskey Tango Foxtrot]

Just now, Highmark said:

The big cats I don't understand but if there is enough of them then so be it.   What people don't also realize is much of the funds goes to catching poachers and other illegal methods of harvesting game.   For example the locals kill the Cat's if they are a threat to their livestock.   Hunting keeps the numbers of predators in balance so they don't have to go looking for easy kills because of natural pressure on them.  There is much more to it than just wealthy people killing animals.  

 

[Snoslinger]

35 minutes ago, Highmark said:

While that type of hunting isn't for me the reality is these animals are a natural resource that these areas choose to use for economic gain.  The meat of these harvests are generally distributed far and wide to villages who it supports.   While this might not be the case for big cats but it is for everything else.  

I highly doubt this type of hunting LEGALLY includes endangered species.   

The natives do it because of the demand created by small dicked people who get their jollies killing and talking about their “big kill” to fellow small dicked friends. Just because the locals use the byproducts of these kills doesn’t make it right

[Highmark]

14 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

The natives do it because of the demand created by small dicked people who get their jollies killing and talking about their “big kill” to fellow small dicked friends. Just because the locals use the byproducts of these kills doesn’t make it right

Just like a liberal to think they know what's right for someone in another continent.     Jesus dude get over yourself.   You have no idea what big game hunting means to those people.  You have no idea what "conservation" means.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/world/a-hunting-ban-saps-a-villages-livelihood.html?ref=africa&_r=0

SANKUYO, Botswana — Lions have been coming out of the surrounding bush, prowling around homes and a small health clinic, to snatch goats and donkeys from the heart of this village on the edge of one of Africa’s great inland deltas. Elephants, too, are becoming frequent, unwelcome visitors, gobbling up the beans, maize and watermelons that took farmers months to grow.

Since Botswana banned trophy hunting two years ago, remote communities like Sankuyo have been at the mercy of growing numbers of wild animals that are hurting livelihoods and driving terrified villagers into their homes at dusk.

The hunting ban has also meant a precipitous drop in income. Over the years, villagers had used money from trophy hunters, mostly Americans, to install toilets and water pipes, build houses for the poorest, and give scholarships to the young and pensions to the old.

Calls to curb trophy hunting across Africa have risen since a lion in Zimbabwe, named Cecil by researchers tracking it, was killed in July by an American dentist. Several airlines have stopped transporting trophies from hunts, and lawmakers in New Jersey have introduced legislation that would further restrict their import into the United States.

But in Sankuyo and other rural communities living near the wild animals, many are calling for a return to hunting. African governments have also condemned, some with increasing anger, Western moves to ban trophy hunting.

“Before, when there was hunting, we wanted to protect those animals because we knew we earned something out of them,” said Jimmy Baitsholedi Ntema, a villager in his 60s. “Now we don’t benefit at all from the animals. The elephants and buffaloes leave after destroying our plowing fields during the day. Then, at night, the lions come into our kraals.”

In early 2014, this sparsely populated nation became one of a few African countries with abundant wildlife to put an end to trophy hunting, the practice at the core of conservation efforts in southern Africa. President Seretse Khama Ian Khama of Botswana, a staunch defender of animal rights, stated that hunting was no longer compatible with wildlife conservation and urged communities like Sankuyo to switch to photographic tourism. The decision was cheered by animal welfare groups in the West.

But Botswana is an outlier. Government officials and conservationists in most African countries staunchly support trophy hunting, including Zambia, which is going back to hunting after a short-lived suspension.

“Zambia has always hunted from time immemorial,” Jean Kapata, Zambia’s minister of tourism, said in a phone interview. “Zambia is a sovereign nation, and therefore people should respect the rules we have in our country.”

Zambia recently lifted a two-year-old ban on hunting leopards, and lion hunting is likely to resume next year. In 2013, Zambia curbed trophy hunting and imposed a blanket ban on hunting the big cats, also in an effort to replace trophy hunting with photographic tourism.

But that brought little income compared to hunting, Ms. Kapata said, while lions increasingly stalked villages for livestock. During the hunting ban, a local councilor was killed by a lion, she said.

“We had a lot of complaints from local communities,” Ms. Kapata said. “In Africa, a human being is more important than an animal. I don’t know about the Western world,” she added, echoing a complaint in affected parts of Africa that the West seemed more concerned with the welfare of a lion in Zimbabwe than of Africans themselves.

Zambia’s quick reversal points to the central role that trophy hunting has played in managing wildlife in southern Africa, where the industry’s emergence in the 1960s helped restore degraded habitats and revive certain species.

In South Africa, the biggest market, hunting occurs on private game ranches. But in the rest of the region, it takes place mostly on communal lands where villages like Sankuyo are supposed to receive a cut of the fees paid by trophy hunters.

Sankuyo, a village of around 700 people, sits just east of the Okavango Delta in northern Botswana, which has one of the richest concentrations of wildlife in Africa. In 1996, Sankuyo signed on to a community-based natural resources program that focused on hunting and was supported by the United States government.

In 2010, Sankuyo earned nearly $600,000 from the 120 animals — including 22 elephants, 55 impalas and nine buffaloes — that it was allowed to offer to trophy hunters that year, said Brian Child, an associate professor at the University of Florida, who is leading a study on the impact of the ban. Botswana’s wildlife officials, who set the annual quotas, last allowed a lion to be hunted in Sankuyo in 2006.

Among the benefits to the community, 20 households chosen by lottery received outdoor toilets, all painted in pastel colors that stand out in a village turned brown in the dry season. Standpipes were installed in courtyards, connecting 40 families to running water.

“That’s what made people appreciate conservation,” said Gokgathang Timex Moalosi, 55, Sankuyo’s chief. “We told them, ‘That lion or elephant has paid for your toilet or your standpipe.’ ”

Where trophy hunting benefits communities, locals are more motivated to protect wild animals as a source of revenue, experts say. But in most places without trophy hunting, they are simply considered a nuisance or danger, and locals are more likely to hunt them for food or to kill them to defend their homes and crops.

Dr. Child, an expert on wildlife management in Africa, said trophy hunting had failed to benefit many communities because of mismanagement and corruption. But in the countries where trophy hunting had worked well — Botswana, until the ban; Namibia; and Zimbabwe, until its economy collapsed in the past decade — it had accomplished the twin goals of generating income and protecting wild animals.

“When hunting was introduced, we actually ended up killing less animals,” Dr. Child said. “That’s the irony.”

With hunting now banned, there are growing signs that more wild animals could be killed, experts say. Lions, which used to feast on the meat of elephants left behind by hunters, are increasingly entering villages looking for livestock. In the past two years here in Sankuyo, villagers have killed two lions that wandered into residential areas.

Botswana’s swelling population of elephants, accounting for a third of the total in Africa, is clashing increasingly with a growing human population. Poaching rings trafficking in ivory to East Asia have targeted elephants elsewhere on the continent. According to the International Union for Conservation of Nature’s Red List of Threatened Species, African elephants are classified as “vulnerable,” below “endangered” and “critically endangered,” and their population is increasing.

“We’re experiencing an exponential increase in conflicts between animals and human beings,” said Israel Khura Nato, the head of the Botswana Department of Wildlife’s problem animal control unit in Maun, a town two hours from here.

According to the department, such conflicts recorded nationwide rose to 6,770 in 2014 from 4,361 in 2012. Poaching incidents increased to 323 in 2014 from 309 in 2012.

More poisoned vultures have been found in this area, possibly killed by poachers seeking to conceal their hunts, said Lucas Rutina, an ecologist at the University of Botswana’s Okavango Research Institute near Maun. Residents of communities that used to derive an income from trophy hunting no longer attend conservation workshops at the institute, he said.

“Now they are going back to hating animals,” Dr. Rutina said.

Galeyo Kobamelo, 37, said he had lost all 30 goats in the kraal just outside his family compound to lions and hyenas since the hunting ban. Elephants had destroyed his fields of sorghum and maize.

With the hunting ban, his family no longer receives the free meat that hunters left behind. His mother, Gomolemo Semalomba, 58, no longer receives a pension, about $100 twice a year.

“Now we don’t eat meat anymore,” she said, pointing to a table with plates of cabbage, beans and maize meal.

Mr. Moalosi, Sankuyo’s chief, said he hoped to bring back some of the benefits after his village made a successful transition to photographic tourism.

But experts say that sightseeing tourists gravitate to prime areas with dense concentrations of wildlife, like the Okavango Delta’s Moremi Game Reservewest of here. They rarely venture to peripheral areas like Sankuyo, or even more remote corners, which do, however, draw hunters.

“Photographic tourism is not that viable in those areas,” said Joseph Mbaiwa, the Okavango Research Institute’s acting director.

In Sankuyo, William Moalosi is one of dozens of people that the hunting ban has left jobless. Many have left Sankuyo to seek work in Maun.

Mr. Moalosi, 40, worked for eight years as a tracker and driver, earning about $100 a month. He used some of the money to replace his old house, made of branches and the mud from a termite mound, with a modern structure. He lost his crops of maize and watermelons to marauding elephants a few months ago.

Villagers, including the chief, identified Mr. Moalosi as the man who had shot and killed a lioness last month. The animal had climbed a tree to jump down into a kraal with goats; unable to get out of the enclosure, the lioness posed a danger to the village, which gave the community the right to kill the animal.

But sitting outside his house, flanked by neighbors, Mr. Moalosi denied he was the shooter. He said he knew nothing about the circumstances of the animal’s death, a statement that drew knowing smiles from his neighbors.

“We are living in fear since lions and leopards now come into our village,” he said. “Elephants cross the village to go to the other side of the bush. The dogs bark at them. We just run into our houses and hide.”

Edited February 12, 2018 by Highmark

[spin_dry]

1 hour ago, Highmark said:

You hate people that hunt?  

I simply hate what he represents. 

[SnowRider]

Damn - I thought this thread might be about Dumpers who lost their health insurance.....

[Highmark]

5 minutes ago, spin_dry said:

I simply hate what he represents. 

And what does he "represent."   

Hilarious, thread starts off about a poacher killed by lions and it morphed into a "I hate Don Jr" thread.    

[Mileage Psycho]

2 hours ago, Snoslinger said:

as is what they do to get their jollies. don't take it so personal, I hate anyone who does this shit, r or d.

 

 

 

Junior looks like one of those Mexican Bandito’s in those old westerns with that stupid ammo belt he has around his waist LOL