Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 27, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted November 27, 2017 How many buggy manufacture employees did the auto manufactures put out of business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Efficiency, abundance, and sustainability are enemies of our economic structure. They are inverse to the mechanics required to perpetuate consumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, BOHICA said: How many buggy manufacture employees did the auto manufactures put out of business? "Modern automation is no more disruptive than the cotton gin or the assembly line" "Wait, they can automate MY job!?!?! Fuck that!!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 17 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Efficiency, abundance, and sustainability are enemies of our economic structure. They are inverse to the mechanics required to perpetuate consumption. Wrong. They allow for more innovation and the creation of wealth from a mere idea, fulfilling a need or creating a market. Fuck man, get a real formal economics education instead of all that Marxist bullshit you're always reading from who knows what sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Marx's critiques and analysis of capitalism are dead on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Wrong. They allow for more innovation and the creation of wealth from a mere idea, fulfilling a need or creating a market. Fuck man, get a real formal economics education instead of all that Marxist bullshit you're always reading from who knows what sources. If capitalism solved problems and allocated resources efficiently, why are there millions living in poverty in the richest country in the world? Obviously there is a need there, why hasn't capitalism filled it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 27, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted November 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, motonoggin said: If capitalism solved problems and allocated resources efficiently, why are there millions living in poverty in the richest country in the world? Obviously there is a need there, why hasn't capitalism filled it? Millions of our impoverished live extremely well compared to the a lot of the impoverished that live around the globe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 minute ago, BOHICA said: Millions of our impoverished live extremely well compared to the a lot of the impoverished that live around the globe. So? There are billions of people around the world living in poverty, why hasn't capitalism solved that problem? This 'point' doesn't support your argument at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, racer254 said: That's a good point that I hadn't thought about. They also create jobs for those that build their massive warehouse. Then the people that fill the orders and the people that maintain the equipment and the building. Then there's the spin off of those people they employ spending their money locally. Right now cities are in a competitive bidding process offering incentives for Amazon to locate there. Must be a whole lot of benefit of having Amazon locate in your city if the city wants it bad enough to bid on it. Then there's the automotive spin off supplying trucks to deliver the product as well. Nothing operates in isolation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 27, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: So? There are billions of people around the world living in poverty, why hasn't capitalism solved that problem? This 'point' doesn't support your argument at all. Cause capitalism doesn’t exist everywhere dumb dumb..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 13 minutes ago, motonoggin said: If capitalism solved problems and allocated resources efficiently, why are there millions living in poverty in the richest country in the world? Obviously there is a need there, why hasn't capitalism filled it? Where are these "millions"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: So? There are billions of people around the world living in poverty, why hasn't capitalism solved that problem? This 'point' doesn't support your argument at all. Socioeconomic structures are regional. To "grade" them based on regional poverty, you just have to look at what structure is in place in the most impoverished nations. SPOILER ALERT: You may not want to do this as it's gonna sting a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 02sled said: They also create jobs for those that build their massive warehouse. Then the people that fill the orders and the people that maintain the equipment and the building. Then there's the spin off of those people they employ spending their money locally. Right now cities are in a competitive bidding process offering incentives for Amazon to locate there. Must be a whole lot of benefit of having Amazon locate in your city if the city wants it bad enough to bid on it. Then there's the automotive spin off supplying trucks to deliver the product as well. Nothing operates in isolation. Of course not, but I was looking for ways to differentiate between a store like Walmart and Amazon. Edited November 27, 2017 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 49 minutes ago, BOHICA said: How many buggy manufacture employees did the auto manufactures put out of business? It has been an ongoing evolution and it will never stop. Everything has been impacted by evolving processes. When I was a kid my grandmothers house had a coal furnace and a guy that delivered coal. As people switched to natural gas, oil or electric heat, the guy in the coal mine would have lost his job as well as the guy delivering the coal. Computerization eliminated so much paper. When's the last time you saw a job for a file clerk or a steno in an office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 13 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Millions of our impoverished live extremely well compared to the a lot of the impoverished that live around the globe. Most people around the world that we would call poor or impoverished don't know they are until someone tells them they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, 02sled said: They also create jobs for those that build their massive warehouse. Then the people that fill the orders and the people that maintain the equipment and the building. Then there's the spin off of those people they employ spending their money locally. Right now cities are in a competitive bidding process offering incentives for Amazon to locate there. Must be a whole lot of benefit of having Amazon locate in your city if the city wants it bad enough to bid on it. Then there's the automotive spin off supplying trucks to deliver the product as well. Nothing operates in isolation. Amazon's workers have it worse than Walmart workers. But hey, one dude got fucking rich off it, so it must be wholesome and good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 27, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted November 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, 02sled said: They also create jobs for those that build their massive warehouse. Then the people that fill the orders and the people that maintain the equipment and the building. Then there's the spin off of those people they employ spending their money locally. Right now cities are in a competitive bidding process offering incentives for Amazon to locate there. Must be a whole lot of benefit of having Amazon locate in your city if the city wants it bad enough to bid on it. Then there's the automotive spin off supplying trucks to deliver the product as well. Nothing operates in isolation. To be fair though with the massive amounts of high paying jobs that amazon creats it cause a minor issue.... Seattle for example, which being a liberal utopia, has a huge homeless issue as amazon and all the upper middle class jobs it creates cause the lower economic class to move “farther out” to find affordable living arrangements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Cause capitalism doesn’t exist everywhere dumb dumb..... 7 minutes ago, racer254 said: Where are these "millions"? I mean, this is why humanity is doomed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 minute ago, BOHICA said: To be fair though with the massive amounts of high paying jobs that amazon creats it cause a minor issue.... Seattle for example, which being a liberal utopia, has a huge homeless issue as amazon and all the upper middle class jobs it creates cause the lower economic class to move “farther out” to find affordable living arrangements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I mean, this is why humanity is doomed... Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Amazon's workers have it worse than Walmart workers. But hey, one dude got fucking rich off it, so it must be wholesome and good. How does Amazon workers have it worse than Walmart workers. I would put money on it that being an order processing and shipping warehouse those Amazon jobs are regular full time with regularly scheduled shifts. Whereas Walmart has to deal with customer traffic spikes throughout the day and the bulk of their employees will be part time to handle the spikes just before and after the lunch break window, late afternoon on the way home from work window and then a smaller one after dinner to store closing. All challenges any large retailer contends with. Typically the large retailer has about 70 - 75% part time in the stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I mean, this is why humanity is doomed... And communism / socialism / fascism have survived and done so well in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, BOHICA said: All the carrier jobs amazon creates are great. Pretty sure the delivery jobs, even on sundays are not minimum wage gigs like those cashier jobs at mom and pop stores that you pay twice as much for a product. Yup my sister just got in at USPS about 7 months ago. Last Sunday was a package only day. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, 02sled said: And communism / socialism / fascism have survived and done so well in history. We have fascism now, tf you talking about? The fact that you group it together with socialism and communism demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what each ideology represents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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