motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Um, corporations own the government. If that isn't fascism, nothing is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Um, corporations own the government. If that isn't fascism, nothing is. What part does Walmart own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Just now, DAVE said: What part does Walmart own? Is this a serious question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Is this a serious question? Just as serious as your corporation statement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/lobby.php?id=D000000367 https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000000367&cycle=2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Amazon: https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000023883 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 27, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 27, 2017 Everybody thought Walmart was the Buy n Large from the movie Wall E. Its Amazon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 59 minutes ago, Arctic Cat Destroyer said: Its a puppet govt just like ours. Well I asked where capitalism is doing well and you never responded. That's easy Canada, United States, most of Europe and believe it or not China is evolving dramatically. Lots of foreign investment by large corporations in China. The largest and fastest growing market for high end luxury cars is China... cars like Ferrari, Bentley, etc. China is rapidly adopting a lot of capitalist disciplines. So if Canada and the US are puppet governments who are the dictators pulling the puppet strings. Let me guess you believe the earth is flat too. Fish populations must be suffering when the fish swim over the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 hours ago, motonoggin said: We have fascism now, tf you talking about? The fact that you group it together with socialism and communism demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what each ideology represents. I didn't group them together. They are unique and different in their purest forms but no pure system works. They all have "some" attributes of each other. The point was that none of those are really flourishing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, 02sled said: I didn't group them together. They are unique and different in their purest forms but no pure system works. They all have "some" attributes of each other. The point was that none of those are really flourishing Fascism is doing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Fascism is doing well. where Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, 02sled said: That's easy Canada, United States, most of Europe and believe it or not China is evolving dramatically. Lots of foreign investment by large corporations in China. The largest and fastest growing market for high end luxury cars is China... cars like Ferrari, Bentley, etc. China is rapidly adopting a lot of capitalist disciplines. So if Canada and the US are puppet governments who are the dictators pulling the puppet strings. Let me guess you believe the earth is flat too. Fish populations must be suffering when the fish swim over the edge. Somebody just posted a thread about how Canada is the most indebted country on Earth last week . I would hardly use that as a shining example of the success of capitalism. It's propped up on debt so it's not really successful on its own. And actually I think you would be hard pressed to find a more indebted country than the US. The standard of living here may be the best but it's because of debt not the success of capitalism http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Arctic Cat Destroyer said: Somebody just posted a thread about how Canada is the most indebted country on Earth last week . I would hardly use that as a shining example of the success of capitalism. It's propped up on debt so it's not really successful on its own. And actually I think you would be hard pressed to find a more indebted country than the US. The standard of living here may be the best but it's because of debt not the success of capitalism http://www.usdebtclock.org/ I am not a fan of massive debt however for us a good chunk of it is our PM pissing away $B's on 3rd world countries in the name of climate change. So you would rather live in an impoverished country living day to day wondering where your next meal is coming from but not have any national debt. Got it. Enjoy your one room hut... could get cold in the winter Edited November 27, 2017 by 02sled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 13 minutes ago, 02sled said: where America, Western Europe, Japan, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 minute ago, 02sled said: I am not a fan of massive debt however for us a good chunk of it is our PM pissing away $B's on 3rd world countries in the name of climate change. So you would rather live in an impoverished country living day to day wondering where your next meal is coming from but not have any national debt. Got it. Yes, those are clearly the only two choices A. Massive debt and corporations owning government. B. No debt and massive poverty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: America, Western Europe, Japan, etc Friggin hilarious. America is far from being a fascist county. Japan gave up on that system around 1945 and most of western Europe is capitalist ever since the collapse of the communist governments in those countries. I sure don't remember seeing any fascist candidates on the ballots at the elections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Yes, those are clearly the only two choices A. Massive debt and corporations owning government. B. No debt and massive poverty. So where is your example of a fascist country where the people have a great quality of life. I don't see much in the way of fascism in the worlds top 10 countries for quality of life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, 02sled said: Friggin hilarious. America is far from being a fascist county. Japan gave up on that system around 1945 and most of western Europe is capitalist ever since the collapse of the communist governments in those countries. I sure don't remember seeing any fascist candidates on the ballots at the elections You seem to not understand what fascism is, friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/timed-toilet-breaks-impossible-targets-11587888?ICID=FB_mirror_main Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Reality is it's not unusual for a town or city to offer incentives to a business to locate in their locale rather than somewhere else. It's a huge uplift to the local economy. So the city rather than cut property or business taxes for Amazon chooses to redirect funds equivalent to the income tax collected (likely state taxes) by the new Amazon employees which would be relative to the wealth brought to Chicago rather than a fixed number. I would put money on it that it is for a finite term as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 25 minutes ago, motonoggin said: You seem to not understand what fascism is, friend. I understand all to well and know it's not something I want to live under that's for sure. You seem to have rose coloured glasses of a utopic dream land called fascism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 02sled said: Reality is it's not unusual for a town or city to offer incentives to a business to locate in their locale rather than somewhere else. It's a huge uplift to the local economy. So the city rather than cut property or business taxes for Amazon chooses to redirect funds equivalent to the income tax collected (likely state taxes) by the new Amazon employees which would be relative to the wealth brought to Chicago rather than a fixed number. I would put money on it that it is for a finite term as well. Those would be details and they may ruin the emotional effect. That's why most threads die when asked for details here. Edited November 27, 2017 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Moto sure is paranoid.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 18 minutes ago, 02sled said: I understand all to well and know it's not something I want to live under that's for sure. You seem to have rose coloured glasses of a utopic dream land called fascism. But you ARE living under it. The merger of state and corporate power is nearly complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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