Road to 9-11 History Channel Starts Tonight

[Highmark]

3 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said:

Exactly and Zarahawi is the worst of the bunch....completely full of and invested in his hatred of the west. I also never knew that the Somali Rebels who took out the Blackhawks were trained by Al Queda.

The Saudi way of life pre oil discovery is amazing....camels, dates and mud huts.

Yep.   Check my edit.   He wanted to move against the west because of our lack of adherence to Islam.   The whole submit or die BS.   Nothing more, nothing less.  

Remember we stole all their oil and money.   People need to see where these places were just 60-70 years ago compared to now.  

Edited September 6, 2017 by Highmark

[Jimmy Snacks]

2 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Yep.   Check my edit.   He wanted to move against the west because of our lack of adherence to Islam.   The whole submit or die BS.   Nothing more, nothing less.  

Remember we stole all their oil and money.   People need to see where these places were just 60-70 years ago compared to now.  

No kidding....they never would have got the oil out of the ground on their own. If you get a chance check out the book The Prize...excellent history of the global oil industry.

[jtssrx]

58 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said:

Excuse me?

I think my question was clear

[Jimmy Snacks]

2 hours ago, jtssrx said:

I think my question was clear

Your question is delusional.

[Jimmy Snacks]

3 hours ago, jtssrx said:

Did they get into why they faked 19 Muslims perpetrating it yet? 

So according to you who did it?

[ActionfigureJoe]

3 hours ago, Highmark said:

Yep.   Check my edit.   He wanted to move against the west because of our lack of adherence to Islam.   The whole submit or die BS.   Nothing more, nothing less.  

Remember we stole all their oil and money.   People need to see where these places were just 60-70 years ago compared to now.  

how is that different than the wars america began in every continent when its form of "freedom" wasn't practiced? 

[Jimmy Snacks]

7 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

how is that different than the wars america began in every continent when its form of "freedom" wasn't practiced? 

Well if we had Zawaharis blood lust and kill'em all attitude we would win every war hands down.

[ActionfigureJoe]

6 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said:

Well if we had Zawaharis blood lust and kill'em all attitude we would win every war hands down.

there's plenty of kill em all attitudes in america. thankfully that's tempered by the diversity in america. 

[Jimmy Snacks]

Just now, ActionfigureJoe said:

there's plenty of kill em all attitudes in america. thankfully that's tempered by the diversity in america. 

I'm talking specifically about the military and the way they wage war....not your holier than thou perspective.

[ActionfigureJoe]

the military doesn't wage war in america. the military is a tool of civilians. 

[Highmark]

34 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

how is that different than the wars america began in every continent when its form of "freedom" wasn't practiced? 

 Sorry but I really don't see the comparison as valid.   I won't debate we've made our share of foreign policy mistakes (and the list isn't short) but generally speaking we do it for the betterment of the people and their overall freedom, not freedom to practice one religion or we kill you as Islam does.  If you can't see the stark differences between what America has wanted for countries vs what Islamic states want then there is no debating this with you.

Care to list all these continents we've started wars on?

[ActionfigureJoe]

16 minutes ago, Highmark said:

 Sorry but I really don't see the comparison as valid.   I won't debate we've made our share of foreign policy mistakes (and the list isn't short) but generally speaking we do it for the betterment of the people and their overall freedom, not freedom to practice one religion or we kill you as Islam does.  If you can't see the stark differences between what America has wanted for countries vs what Islamic states want then there is no debating this with you.

Care to list all these continents we've started wars on?

america begins wars for the betterment of the interests of america. the idea of waging war for the betterment of the regions population is fucking preposterous. name one war, excluding wwII, that ended well for the region. let's not forget about american proxy wars. 

Edited September 6, 2017 by ActionfigureJoe

[Highmark]

8 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

america begins wars for the betterment of the interests of america. the idea of waging war for the betterment of the regions population is fucking preposterous. name one war, excluding wwII, that ended well for the region. let's not forget about american proxy wars. 

I disagree.   What betterment of America did or would have we gained in NK or Vietnam?   I'd say SK is much better place than it would be if we hadn't been there.  To some extent the same could be said in Vietnam.   While it did become a communist nation the war did help stem the tide of communism.   I wouldn't argue was it worth the cost in American lives.  As far as I'm concerned no country is worth the lives of our young men and women anymore.  Even Iraq and Afghanistan were given the opportunities to be a better place for everyone.   They simply don't want it in large numbers.    

[Jimmy Snacks]

40 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

the military doesn't wage war in america. the military is a tool of civilians. 

Yes Greg I understand that and WTF does that have to do with waging war in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

[SSFB]

On 9/4/2017 at 4:20 PM, Biggie Smails said:

Interested to watch this starting tonight.

http://www.history.com/shows/road-to-911

Thanks for the heads up Jimbo, I hadn't heard of this. I just set the TV to record the series.

 

[Jimmy Snacks]

1 minute ago, SSFB said:

Thanks for the heads up Jimbo, I hadn't heard of this. I just set the TV to record the series.

 

No problem...really well done with a lot of great interviews with key people that were on the ground.

[ActionfigureJoe]

22 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said:

Yes Greg I understand that and WTF does that have to do with waging war in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

one could argue that afghanistan was to protect american interests. it's obvious now that is was just an after thought. iraq was cheney' wet dream. 

[f7ben]

Also to counter Highmarks idiotic assertions it should be state.......while there may have been some people bent on attacking the west our occupying their lands is their best recruiting tool and they knew that and welcomed it ....

Edited September 6, 2017 by f7ben

[Jimmy Snacks]

2 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

one could argue that afghanistan was to protect american interests. it's obvious now that is was just an after thought. iraq was cheney' wet dream. 

I understand all of that as well...my initial point was simply that if we aged War with the attitude of Zahawri there would be total victory.

[old indy]

Have they covered the pentagon at all? If so did they touch on the fact no plane parts were ever recovered from that site. And how did building 7 collapse again since it wasn't touched?

that one always left me wondering??

Edited September 6, 2017 by old indy

[ActionfigureJoe]

8 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said:

I understand all of that as well...my initial point was simply that if we aged War with the attitude of Zahawri there would be total victory.

my argument is that there's people of power in america that have the same moral equivalence as Zahawi. what keeps things from reeling out of control in that direction is a series of checks and balances. yet even despite those checks and balances, america has periodically used its influence to do the exact same thing that Zahawi is being accused of. 

Edited September 6, 2017 by ActionfigureJoe

[Jimmy Snacks]

11 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

my argument is that there's people of power in america that have the same moral equivalence as Zahawi. what keeps things from reeling out of control in that direction is a series of checks and balances. yet even despite those checks and balances, america has periodically used its influence to do the exact same thing that Zahawi is being accused of. 

I really don't think we have waged war with a burning hatred and kill them all mentality other than in WW2 especially against the Japanese. What I found interesting about Zahawi is that even other Jihadis were afraid of him because if they were no as invested as him they feared for their own lives.

[f7ben]

3 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said:

I really don't think we have waged war with a burning hatred and kill them all mentality other than in WW2 especially against the Japanese. What I found interesting about Zahawi is that even other Jihadis were afraid of him because if they were no as invested as him they feared for their own lives.

no , we wage a kindler gentler war......I mean since there is really no threat we cant just go full blown kill em all. We have to just drop some bombs and kill some people ....you know....just enough to keep the money flowing and the people from revolting like vietnam...  

Edited September 6, 2017 by f7ben

[Jimmy Snacks]

Just now, f7ben said:

no , we wage a kindler gentler war......I mean since there is really no threat we cant just go full blown kill em all. We have to just drop some bombs and kill some people ....you know....just enough to keep the money flowing and the people from revolting like vietnam...  

Jesus Christ I was making a comparison and not trying to justify any of our foreign policy actions but the seed has been sown so to not remain vigilant here would be a mistake.

[f7ben]

1 minute ago, Biggie Smails said:

Jesus Christ I was making a comparison and not trying to justify any of our foreign policy actions but the seed has been sown so to not remain vigilant here would be a mistake.

that was the plan all along .....all "remaining vigilant" does is keep sewing more seeds that we need to remain "vigilant" against