Things Are Looking Bad for UTV and Snowmobile Maker Polaris

[Bontz]

40 minutes ago, Not greg b said:

Shitoons. I can’t believe how much those contraptions are now. The Tritoons are on another level 

Price out a Bennington lately?   Yikes!

[ArcticCrusher]

On 10/24/2024 at 2:01 PM, Not greg b said:

Deal of the day 

A Deepfaggot special of the week.

A steal.

[krom]

1 hour ago, Bontz said:

Price out a Bennington lately?   Yikes!

Pre-covid we sold a 30'x10' Bennington  R series tri-toon with a power arch, lots of RGB, subwoofer etc, and twin merc 450R's (customer would have gotten twin 600's if the wait wasn't so long)  IIRC at the time it was at least $50k additional to get the 450R instead of 300's

They are one of, if not the best built toons on the water, but the higher end stuff is far from cheap.  Their entry level stuff is reasonable though.  Its not much more than the lower level brands, but you more than get what you pay for. 

any/everything tracker is steaming garbage, cheapest possible materials and construction.  It's funny but the lead tech at the local bass pro comes in pretty often for parts, since they don't stock much.  He's always bitching about how shitty the boats are, and saying how much better the Benningtons, and Lunds are.

Edited October 25 by krom

[Crnr2Crnr]

if you don't live or have a place on the water a pontoon boat seems nearly or possibly more dumb (to me) than dragging around a f'ng camper. 

this being said... it's almost shocking the amount of hp you can throw on the back of one these days vs a decade ago and the speed people 'can' go with them.   

how well does 'simple' and 'basic' sell these days @krom ?

 

 

 

[Not greg b]

1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

if you don't live or have a place on the water a pontoon boat seems nearly or possibly more dumb (to me) than dragging around a f'ng camper. 

this being said... it's almost shocking the amount of hp you can throw on the back of one these days vs a decade ago and the speed people 'can' go with them.   

how well does 'simple' and 'basic' sell these days @krom ?

 

 

 

Pontoon are easy to sink around here 

[Palu49]

On 10/24/2024 at 2:01 PM, Not greg b said:

Deal of the day 

I paid a little over a tenth of that for my 3/4 ton suburban and I can drive it everywhere you can drive a sxs legally in NYS and down any road I want. You gotta be out of your mind to buy one of those things.

[Not greg b]

10 minutes ago, Palu49 said:

I paid a little over a tenth of that for my 3/4 ton suburban and I can drive it everywhere you can drive a sxs legally in NYS and down any road I want. You gotta be out of your mind to buy one of those things.

Yeah that is expensive for sure 

[airflite1]

10 hours ago, Palu49 said:

I paid a little over a tenth of that for my 3/4 ton suburban and I can drive it everywhere you can drive a sxs legally in NYS and down any road I want. You gotta be out of your mind to buy one of those things.

 If you put tracks on it, what an Ice fishing rig. But ya, For what you'd gain I couldn't justify upgrading my Ranger

[Palu49]

52 minutes ago, airflite1 said:

 If you put tracks on it, what an Ice fishing rig. But ya, For what you'd gain I couldn't justify upgrading my Ranger

There’s a million samurai’s and trackers, XJ Jeeps, all sorts of shit out there you can have for $3500 and put tracks on

[krom]

13 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

if you don't live or have a place on the water a pontoon boat seems nearly or possibly more dumb (to me) than dragging around a f'ng camper. 

this being said... it's almost shocking the amount of hp you can throw on the back of one these days vs a decade ago and the speed people 'can' go with them.   

how well does 'simple' and 'basic' sell these days @krom ?

 

 

 

around here the majority of toon sales are "simple and basic"  20', 2 tubes, 50 to 90 hp. S, and L series bennington, or cheaper brands.  That has a lot to do with the local economy though.

[Crnr2Crnr]

Slowdown in sales of ATVs, RVs, boats ripples through Minnesota recreational vehicle businesses 

Polaris, Winnebago both hurting, but so are dealers whose profit margins are thinning.

https://www.startribune.com/atv-boat-rv-sales-down-hurting-businesses-interest-rates-slowdown-polaris-winnebago-alumacraft/601169462

 

[Zambroski]

1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Slowdown in sales of ATVs, RVs, boats ripples through Minnesota recreational vehicle businesses 

Polaris, Winnebago both hurting, but so are dealers whose profit margins are thinning.

https://www.startribune.com/atv-boat-rv-sales-down-hurting-businesses-interest-rates-slowdown-polaris-winnebago-alumacraft/601169462

 

Food and utilities are taking all the extra cash.

[Tripleflipper]

5 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Slowdown in sales of ATVs, RVs, boats ripples through Minnesota recreational vehicle businesses 

Polaris, Winnebago both hurting, but so are dealers whose profit margins are thinning.

https://www.startribune.com/atv-boat-rv-sales-down-hurting-businesses-interest-rates-slowdown-polaris-winnebago-alumacraft/601169462

 

I'm ok with the thinning margins for those dealers who stuck it to consumers during the covid ride. Especially my local BRP dealer on the Sea Doo side of the business. My Poo dealer was very good during this time. Got a discount on both my XCR and Sportsman purchase, not quite as deep as prior to covid but nonetheless still got a discount.

[airflite1]

5 hours ago, Palu49 said:

There’s a million samurai’s and trackers, XJ Jeeps, all sorts of shit out there you can have for $3500 and put tracks on

I looked at that route when I bought my Ranger, I'm glad I chose the direction I did.

[Palu49]

1 hour ago, airflite1 said:

I looked at that route when I bought my Ranger, I'm glad I chose the direction I did.

A reasonably priced Ranger is a whole different ball game than one of those north star monstrosities 

[racinfarmer]

On 10/25/2024 at 6:19 AM, Palu49 said:

There’s not a single quality built camper under $200k. They’re all 5-6 year throw aways now.

The only pull-type thing I would consider buying to go camping in is a quality made trailer with a well done living quarters in it.  

That limits it to pretty much Featherlite, ATC, InTech, and Sundowner.

[racinfarmer]

Double Poast

Edited October 27 by racinfarmer

[krom]

[mnstang]

On 10/26/2024 at 1:13 PM, Tripleflipper said:

I'm ok with the thinning margins for those dealers who stuck it to consumers during the covid ride. Especially my local BRP dealer on the Sea Doo side of the business. My Poo dealer was very good during this time. Got a discount on both my XCR and Sportsman purchase, not quite as deep as prior to covid but nonetheless still got a discount.

I don't understand why people are so butthurt about prices during covid.  It's called supply and demand.  Nobody forced anyone to buy any of the junk they did with my tax money.

 

1 hour ago, krom said:

Good job Polaris on fucking up the used market for sellers.

[AK440]

1 minute ago, mnstang said:

Good job Polaris on fucking up the used market for sellers.

Bwahahaha! The crybaby little welcher bitch is at it again. 

[Tripleflipper]

8 hours ago, mnstang said:

I don't understand why people are so butthurt about prices during covid.  It's called supply and demand.  Nobody forced anyone to buy any of the junk they did with my tax money.

 

Good job Polaris on fucking up the used market for sellers.

I buy a lot of Poo product in good times and bad. A little respect for a loyal customer is not to much to ask for. No one forced me to buy, you are correct, just some respect for loyalty, that's all

 

By the way, the used market is fucked up for everyone, maybe Cat not as much with the low number of units in the field

[Not greg b]

2 hours ago, Tripleflipper said:

I buy a lot of Poo product in good times and bad. A little respect for a loyal customer is not to much to ask for. No one forced me to buy, you are correct, just some respect for loyalty, that's all

 

By the way, the used market is fucked up for everyone, maybe Cat not as much with the low number of units in the field

They screwed for everyone. You can buy a new 9000rr for 15-16k. A year ago they wanted over 20k on the Sno check 

[Palu49]

14 hours ago, racinfarmer said:

The only pull-type thing I would consider buying to go camping in is a quality made trailer with a well done living quarters in it.  

That limits it to pretty much Featherlite, ATC, InTech, and Sundowner.

All the cheap stuff 😂

[mnstang]

3 hours ago, Tripleflipper said:

I buy a lot of Poo product in good times and bad. A little respect for a loyal customer is not to much to ask for. No one forced me to buy, you are correct, just some respect for loyalty, that's all

 

By the way, the used market is fucked up for everyone, maybe Cat not as much with the low number of units in the field

You say that but I doubt it goes both ways.  How many "loyal customers" are walking in now and paying full MSRP plus fees on discounted sleds?  The same way you feel taken advantage of during covid, a dealer could feel about you right now if they applied the same logic.  But I'm guessing it only goes one way in your brain.  Everybody is a victim.

If the market is all priced at X, dealers would be stupid to give away their limited inventory at thousands less.  None of them are getting rich at it even during covid and they have lots of mouths to feed.  If you don't capitalize on the boom times and put some away or invest etc, you will be screwed during the lean times because those so called loyal customers stop calling.  Riding out the low times and not capitalizing on the boom times is a sure fire way to lose in business.  You will get completely left behind, in any market.  It's dog eat dog I dont see any loyal customers bailing out these dealers that are closing and have 2 years of inventory laying around.

[AK440]

6 hours ago, mnstang said:

You say that but I doubt it goes both ways.  How many "loyal customers" are walking in now and paying full MSRP plus fees on discounted sleds?  The same way you feel taken advantage of during covid, a dealer could feel about you right now if they applied the same logic.  But I'm guessing it only goes one way in your brain.  Everybody is a victim.

If the market is all priced at X, dealers would be stupid to give away their limited inventory at thousands less.  None of them are getting rich at it even during covid and they have lots of mouths to feed.  If you don't capitalize on the boom times and put some away or invest etc, you will be screwed during the lean times because those so called loyal customers stop calling.  Riding out the low times and not capitalizing on the boom times is a sure fire way to lose in business.  You will get completely left behind, in any market.  It's dog eat dog I dont see any loyal customers bailing out these dealers that are closing and have 2 years of inventory laying around.

More of your incessant bitching about prices and pretending to be above it all by not buying a discounted sled. You don’t have two nickels to rub together much less any money to buy a new sled. Fucking welcher, couldn’t even come up with $1000 to make good on your own bet.