Crnr2Crnr Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 idk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted March 14 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 14 The mother was already charged. First parents to be held responsible for their kids killing spree I believe. A precedent is set so start holding these parents accountable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted March 14 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, Rod said: Why Parents of the Oxford school shooting kid over here in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Here in MN, the girlfriend of the guy that killed 2 officers and a paramedic has been federally indicted for being a straw buyer of the guns used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 They are guilty of being shitty parents and should be held accountable as such. Murderers is a stretch and a dangerous precedent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sled_Hed Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 54 minutes ago, racinfarmer said: Here in MN, the girlfriend of the guy that killed 2 officers and a paramedic has been federally indicted for being a straw buyer of the guns used. If she was dumb enough to buy guns and parts for a known felon with assault issues she deserves every thing they throw at her. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, Sled_Hed said: If she was dumb enough to buy guns and parts for a known felon with assault issues she deserves every thing they throw at her. Thankfully it is federal charges. Bloody Mary would give her like 10 minutes probation and Ellingson would charge the sells of the firearms and bullets and let her off scotch free.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sled_Hed Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 22 minutes ago, racinfarmer said: Thankfully it is federal charges. Bloody Mary would give her like 10 minutes probation and Ellingson would charge the sells of the firearms and bullets and let her off scotch free.. Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 If guns aren’t properly secured, do it. No different than if your 5 yr old finds your gun and shoots themself/others. assuming that’s the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, akvanden said: If guns aren’t properly secured, do it. No different than if your 5 yr old finds your gun and shoots themself/others. assuming that’s the case? I agree. Kids are smarter than you think. Lock your guns up and hold the key or get a code safe. More than that. Everyone failed this kid miserably. Parents, teachers, principal, guidance counselor. He was crying out for help and they all ignored him. With that said….. He is solely responsible for his actions after he pulled that gun out. Just the way I see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted March 15 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 15 10 hours ago, Cold War said: They are guilty of being shitty parents and should be held accountable as such. Murderers is a stretch and a dangerous precedent. It is , and will probably be tossed on appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted March 15 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 15 11 hours ago, racinfarmer said: Here in MN, the girlfriend of the guy that killed 2 officers and a paramedic has been federally indicted for being a straw buyer of the guns used. good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted March 15 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 15 24 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: It is , and will probably be tossed on appeal. Both parents were charged with involuntary manslaughter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sled_Hed Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, HSR is a cuck said: Both parents were charged with involuntary manslaughter And found guilty. Suppose to be sentenced in April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted March 15 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Sled_Hed said: And found guilty. Suppose to be sentenced in April. Yep each got four counts. One for each kid that died Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 12 minutes ago, Sled_Hed said: And found guilty. Suppose to be sentenced in April. Caught some of the old man on the stand. Dangerous road to go down, but necessary. The kid had mental issues and you either buy him the guns or leave them out for him to use? At fault is sometimes expressed in a percentage. The parents are in that equation IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Michigan passed a new law where it is a felony charge to have a unsecured gun in the home with minor children. Probably what they would of been charged with now. Be interesting to see what sentences are handed down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 hadn't really followed this mess from the beginning and getting up to speed a bit it starts and ends with poor parenting first... imo. seems to be far too much of that. we didn't have gun locks or even a gun safe when we were kids and would have never considered doing anything of the nature. our parents back then also weren't our 'friends'... we definitely have a mental health issue here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 23 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: hadn't really followed this mess from the beginning and getting up to speed a bit it starts and ends with poor parenting first... imo. seems to be far too much of that. we didn't have gun locks or even a gun safe when we were kids and would have never considered doing anything of the nature. our parents back then also weren't our 'friends'... we definitely have a mental health issue here a lot has changed. No question, both parents are self absorbed garbage. I think the questions should be . Did they help their kid carry out the act? Did they have knowledge their kid was going to carry out the act? When I was probably around 4, brother was 6, he found my dads 44. That Im sure my dad thought was well hidden. he had it pointed at me. another few seconds and he would of killed me. Back then it would of been a tragic accident. I dont risk it. we have the grandkids over all the time . guns are in safe, stay in safe. I know if someone kicks the door in I am not getting that gun out of there in time, but it is not worth forgetting I had it out and having one of them get their hands on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, Cold War said: a lot has changed. No question, both parents are self absorbed garbage. I think the questions should be . Did they help their kid carry out the act? Did they have knowledge their kid was going to carry out the act? When I was probably around 4, brother was 6, he found my dads 44. That Im sure my dad thought was well hidden. he had it pointed at me. another few seconds and he would of killed me. Back then it would of been a tragic accident. I dont risk it. we have the grandkids over all the time . guns are in safe, stay in safe. I know if someone kicks the door in I am not getting that gun out of there in time, but it is not worth forgetting I had it out and having one of them get their hands on it. that'll be up to the judge in sentencing I'd imagine. maybe we should add common sense, or good sense to the mental aspect. have never understood the 'take a gun to school and start shooting' rational, probably never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 15 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 15 15 hours ago, Cold War said: They are guilty of being shitty parents and should be held accountable as such. Murderers is a stretch and a dangerous precedent. Yeah access to guns isn't the only way kids become killers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 36 minutes ago, Highmark said: Yeah access to guns isn't the only way kids become killers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 35 minutes ago, Highmark said: Yeah access to guns isn't the only way kids become killers. I never claimed that. In this case it was. Is it really a big deal to keep your guns locked up if you have minor children in the home? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 15 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 15 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Cold War said: I never claimed that. In this case it was. Is it really a big deal to keep your guns locked up if you have minor children in the home? I was agreeing with you just adding in that how kids are raised can make them killers as well. How do we prosecute that? What about parents who give easy access to alcohol and a kid kills people in a DD accident? No doubt I want some parent responsibility its just where do we start and stop? Hell my parents had these cool wildlife whiskey bottles that they never drank out of. They were basically water because we would drink them. There is a difference between giving a kid a gun and just not locking it up. I think in this case they bought him the gun(s). Edited March 15 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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