XCR1250 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 ENERGY Trillions of tons of buried hydrogen: Clean energy gold rush begins By Loz Blain Hundreds of years' worth of cleaner-than-green hydrogen energy is sitting in rock deposits and exploitable like natural gas. A new gold hydrogen rush is starting VIEW 2 IMAGES There's enough natural hydrogen trapped underground to meet all projected demands for hundreds of years. An unpublished report by the US Geological Survey identifies it as a new primary resource, and fires the starter pistol on a new gold rush. The "black gold" oil rush in the US started in 1859, when one Edwin Drake drove a stake into the Pennsylvania soil and oil started flowing out. The gold hydrogen rush may have a similar moment to point back to; in 1987, as one Mamadou Ngulo Konaré tells the story, well diggers gave up on a 108-m (354-ft) deep dry borehole, but he and other villagers in Bourakébougou, Mali, noticed that wind was blowing out of it. When one of the drillers looked in, smoking a cigarette, it blew up in his face, causing severe burns as well as a huge fire. That fire, as Science quoted Konaré, burned "like blue sparking water, and did not have black smoke pollution. The color of the fire at night was like shining gold." It took weeks to put the fire out and plug the hole, but subsequent analysis showed the gas coming out was 98% pure hydrogen. Celebratory mangos were served. Some years later, a little 30 kW Ford generator was hooked up, and Bourakébougou became the first village in the world to enjoy the benefits of clean, naturally occurring hydrogen as a green energy source. A company called Petroma (now Hydroma) placed the world's first zero-emissions, natural hydrogen-powered generator in Bourakébougou, Mali, back in 2012 Hydroma We've spent so much time over the last several years covering new ways to generate green hydrogen using renewable energy – it's a highly promising clean fuel with all sorts of applications. Stored as a cryogenic liquid or a pressurized gas, it can be burned as a hydrocarbon fuel replacement with relatively minor modifications to normal combustion engines. It can also be run through a fuel cell to generate electricity, acting like a liquid/gaseous battery of sorts. But in general, to produce it, you need lots of fresh water – about 9 l (2 gallons) of water for every 1 kilogram (2.2 lb) of hydrogen you produce. And the electrolysis process, while improving, is still lossy. So every time you divert precious renewable energy away from the grid to produce hydrogen, you're throwing some percentage away. That does feel a little wasteful given the massively growing power demands that power grids worldwide need to satisfy while also getting rid of the cheap, easy, dirty energy sources of the past. Hydrogen is such a pain to store at atmospheric pressures that perhaps the idea of geologic hydrogen, trapped in the rocks under our feet like natural gas, hasn't crossed people's minds; perhaps it was assumed that naturally occurring hydrogen molecules would wriggle their way through solid rock to escape into the atmosphere, as they sometimes do in storage containers, or that they'd been consumed by microbes. Perhaps it was simply never seen as that valuable a resource until the relatively recent pivot toward clean transport, clean energy and zero carbon emissions by 2050. Either way, the situation has now changed, big time. Geoffrey Ellis, of the US Geological Survey, has been investigating the global potential of geo-locked "gold" hydrogen as a new primary resource. In a Denver meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, he previewed the results of an as-yet unpublished study, according to the Financial Times. In short, there are as many as 5.5 trillion tons of hydrogen in underground reservoirs worldwide. It may have ben generated by the interaction of certain iron-rich minerals with subterranean water. In some cases, it may be mixed in with other gases such as methane, from which it would need to be separated. But it's there, in such extraordinary quantities that analysts are expecting a gold hydrogen rush at a global scale. Did you know that hydrogen can be natural? Promo video by Natural Hydrogen Energy LLC It may not be super easy to get to: "Most hydrogen is likely inaccessible," Ellis told the Financial Times. "But a few per cent recovery would still supply all projected demand – 500 million tonnes a year – for hundreds of years." Gold hydrogen won't won't hog renewable energy like electrolyzers, or divert it away from other decarbonization opportunities. In that sense, you could argue it'll have the potential to be significantly greener than green hydrogen. On the other hand, if tapping it releases methane into the atmosphere, that's a serious issue; methane is around 85 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide over a 20-year time frame. Resources companies haven't been looking for hydrogen for long, so they're only just beginning to find it and work out how to cleanly and efficiently extract it. But the opportunities here are absolutely immense, and already attracting serious investment. Over the coming months and years, we'd expect to hear plenty more about the technology and techniques involved. Source: Financial Times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 28 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 28 (edited) The earth is a huge hydrocarbon producing machine. Its almost like it was meant for human life......hmmmmm. Edited February 28 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Can’t wait for the first hydrogen powered sled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 46 minutes ago, Highmark said: The earth is a huge hydrocarbon producing machine. Its almost like it was meant for human life......hmmmmm. Humans burning oil actually saved life on earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 minutes ago, akvanden said: Can’t wait for the first hydrogen powered sled. If we do the exhaust right. it could blow out enough water to cover the trail behind you in fresh snow for the next guy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 EV’s are the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted February 28 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 28 14 minutes ago, Mainecat said: EV’s are the future. EV’s are now boomer. The present lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Any of you anti EV clowns still use one of these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 EV’s predate properly fueled vehicles lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted February 28 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 28 Apple cancels their EV program after spending huge sums on it over the years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted February 28 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 28 59 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Any of you anti EV clowns still use one of these? Is that for one of these? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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awful knawful Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 2 hours ago, Mainecat said: Any of you anti EV clowns still use one of these? Is that to bore out your bum hole? Faggot! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted February 29 Gold Member Share Posted February 29 2 hours ago, Mainecat said: EV’s are the future. So go Buy one Gramps , oh thats right. You wont. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, Skidooski said: Is that for one of these? Same fucking range as the new ones 😂 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Tesla will be crushed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted February 29 Gold Member Share Posted February 29 Meanwhile Shell throws in the towel on hydrogen and exits the business. Won’t be anytime remotely that you will be able transverse great distances with hydrogen powered autos in the US. https://www.autoweek.com/news/a46791348/shell-closes-hydrogen-stations-california/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted February 29 Author Share Posted February 29 7 hours ago, BOHICA said: Meanwhile Shell throws in the towel on hydrogen and exits the business. Won’t be anytime remotely that you will be able transverse great distances with hydrogen powered autos in the US. https://www.autoweek.com/news/a46791348/shell-closes-hydrogen-stations-california/ Actually Shell is more interested in Oil & Gas at the moment. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/26/shell-climate-tech-startup-onward-oil-gas-jobs-greenwashing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted February 29 Gold Member Share Posted February 29 13 minutes ago, XCR1250 said: Actually Shell is more interested in Oil & Gas at the moment. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/26/shell-climate-tech-startup-onward-oil-gas-jobs-greenwashing Divesting from hydrogen they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted February 29 Author Share Posted February 29 4 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Divesting from hydrogen they are. It's the coming thing, it will happen whether you like it or not EV's will die out and Hydrogen will be the thing for ICE vehicles. Trillions of tons of buried hydrogen: Clean energy gold rush begins 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 27 minutes ago, XCR1250 said: It's the coming thing, it will happen whether you like it or not EV's will die out and Hydrogen will be the thing for ICE vehicles. Hydrogen vehicles are EV... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 29 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 29 14 hours ago, Mainecat said: Any of you anti EV clowns still use one of these? Do you have one? Be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted February 29 Author Share Posted February 29 5 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Hydrogen vehicles are EV... That will chance to all ICE, takes time..some years back Mother Earth Magazine built an Vehicle burning Hydrogen, no electricity at all, I still have the magazine here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 8 minutes ago, XCR1250 said: That will chance to all ICE, takes time..some years back Mother Earth Magazine built an Vehicle burning Hydrogen, no electricity at all, I still have the magazine here. Lol, no one is doing any real research on using hydrogen as a fuel source without an electric motor. EVs are here to stay. The battery may go away, but not the electric motor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted February 29 Author Share Posted February 29 5 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Lol, no one is doing any real research on using hydrogen as a fuel source without an electric motor. EVs are here to stay. The battery may go away, but not the electric motor. Steve Hench · Former Chief Scientist, Alternative Energy Solutions at SAIC (2008–2011)7y Can you run car engine 100% on hydrogen? Yes you can. Engines can be modified to operate on 100% H2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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