spin_dry Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Game changer. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1140819_toyota-plots-solid-state-battery-timeline-for-future-evs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted September 17, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Game changer. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1140819_toyota-plots-solid-state-battery-timeline-for-future-evs 10 to 20 minutes fast charge to 80%. I think that's bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Steve753 said: 10 to 20 minutes fast charge to 80%. I think that's bullshit. Would have to be one hell of a charger and some big ass cables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 17, 2023 Author Share Posted September 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Steve753 said: 10 to 20 minutes fast charge to 80%. I think that's bullshit. Why is it bullshit? Solid state batteries have better thermal stability than traditional lithium. The BMS allows higher current loads. That equals 1/6 the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 17, 2023 Author Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Would have to be one hell of a charger and some big ass cables That’s the bottleneck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted September 17, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Why is it bullshit? Solid state batteries have better thermal stability than traditional lithium. The BMS allows higher current loads. That equals 1/6 the time. What F7 said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 17, 2023 Author Share Posted September 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Steve753 said: What F7 said. What is kinda strange is that Toyota is using nickel metal hydride batteries in their new Land Cruiser for long term reliability. That is a very cool rig. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1250…he gonna be mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 2 hours ago, f7ben said: Would have to be one hell of a charger and some big ass cables Lithium batteries can only take on current at a slow rate. The little batteries from my RC planes don't like to be charged fast it shortens their life. Plus you have to pay big bucks for a high "C" rating which is how fast they can discharge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted September 18, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 18, 2023 When I got out of RC the nickel metal hydride batteries didn’t have the peak numbers when matched but had more run time then the NiCad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Carlos Danger said: Lithium batteries can only take on current at a slow rate. The little batteries from my RC planes don't like to be charged fast it shortens their life. Plus you have to pay big bucks for a high "C" rating which is how fast they can discharge. That’s nonsense. Lithium batteries take more current than AGM or lead acid. One quality lifepo4 100ah can take 50amps of charge or more depending on what the BMS will allow. Try that with a AGM of similar size. They can also be fully discharged with no damage. AGM batteries are damaged if routinely discharged past 50% Edited September 18, 2023 by spin_dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Human ingenuity is amazing to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 18, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted September 18, 2023 Charge rate would be feasible to charge to 80 percent on current tech if the batter could take it. EA system will deliver close to 350 kw if the car will take it and the charger isn’t malfunctioning which is all to frequent with non tesla chargers. That is almost 6 kwh a minute. 10 minutes would be about 58 kwh…. 20 minutes would be double that with current tech. but Toyota is so far behind, as there current EV can only fast charge a couple times in its life before toyota throttles the charging down to save the battery. Toyota is all smoke and mirrors currently in the BEV realm and really really far behind which they may not be able to recover from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share Posted September 18, 2023 20 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Charge rate would be feasible to charge to 80 percent on current tech if the batter could take it. EA system will deliver close to 350 kw if the car will take it and the charger isn’t malfunctioning which is all to frequent with non tesla chargers. That is almost 6 kwh a minute. 10 minutes would be about 58 kwh…. 20 minutes would be double that with current tech. but Toyota is so far behind, as there current EV can only fast charge a couple times in its life before toyota throttles the charging down to save the battery. Toyota is all smoke and mirrors currently in the BEV realm and really really far behind which they may not be able to recover from. Toyota is stronger overall than Tesla and will remain so. Their strategy is to diversify on power train technology. Hybrids, EV, ICE. They sell 10X the vehicles as Tesla. While Tesla remains strong as an energy company, they’re basically a boutique car company. Toyota sells vehicles that have the potential to last 30 years. Teslas are the bic lighters of the car industry. Electrified Chevys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 7 hours ago, f7ben said: Would have to be one hell of a charger and some big ass cables 4 ought cable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 6 hours ago, spin_dry said: That’s nonsense. Lithium batteries take more current than AGM or lead acid. One quality lifepo4 100ah can take 50amps of charge or more depending on what the BMS will allow. Try that with a AGM of similar size. They can also be fully discharged with no damage. AGM batteries are damaged if routinely discharged past 50% Yes but they operate in a very narrow range of voltage. The difference between full and empty in the cells I am using is only about 2 volts. Lithium ion batteries are ruined if drained below 2 volts or so with 4 volts being a full charge. AGM batteries are just lead acid batteries with a different type of acid and a lighter plate arrangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostynuts Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Why cann,t these electric vehicles have their own on board self charging systems ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plissken Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Frostynuts said: Why cann,t these electric vehicles have their own on board self charging systems ? The Fisker Ocean and Hyundai Ioniq have solar panel roofs optional. Edited September 18, 2023 by Plissken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Frostynuts said: Why cann,t these electric vehicles have their own on board self charging systems ? What the fuck would be the benefit of that? You still have to plug it in to something capable of supplying a large amount of electricity. Carrying an extra 1000 lbs around for the life of the car for no reason would really impact the performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, f7ben said: What the fuck would be the benefit of that? You still have to plug it in to something capable of supplying a large amount of electricity. Carrying an extra 1000 lbs around for the life of the car for no reason would really impact the performance. Similar to flashing a turbo sled and leaving the stock clutching? Asking for a friend. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 18, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, awful knawful said: Similar to flashing a turbo sled and leaving the stock clutching? Asking for a friend. Well if the tune is just moving the powerband up in RPM it wouldn't be perfect but definitely not hurt you that much. Even if just improving over-rev then stock clutching might produce higher top speeds. Stock 998T's don't boost that much down low from the factory. Some tunes increase boost at the same RPM of the stock sleds. Piping sleds that raise the powerband can need lighter weights in the primary. Back in the day some pipe mfg's would brag about higher HP numbers when all they were doing was moving the powerband up to a higher RPM where the stock sled dropped off. Edited September 18, 2023 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, awful knawful said: Similar to flashing a turbo sled and leaving the stock clutching? Asking for a friend. You’re an absolute fucking moron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: Well if the tune is just moving the powerband up in RPM it wouldn't be perfect but definitely not hurt you that much. Even if just improving over-rev then stock clutching might produce higher top speeds. Stock 998T's don't boost that much down low from the factory. Some tunes change increase boost at the same RPM of the stock sleds. Piping sleds that raise the powerband can need lighter weights in the primary. He’s dumb as fuck and didn’t understand a word you just typed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 18, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, f7ben said: He’s dumb as fuck and didn’t understand a word you just typed. Boosted Sidewinders can't handle too low of RPM.....they are constantly into the det sensor even on C16. Been there done that with my 4 arm STM. Never felt something pull so hard though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostynuts Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 hour ago, f7ben said: What the fuck would be the benefit of that? You still have to plug it in to something capable of supplying a large amount of electricity. Carrying an extra 1000 lbs around for the life of the car for no reason would really impact the performance. Well, if they had adequate self charging systems, you wouldn,t have to plug them in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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