Rod Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Buddy saying the 600 is under 400 lbs which doo did with the TNT 600 but that chassis was junk so I doubt it’s true 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, ACE said: Buddy saying the 600 is under 400 lbs which doo did with the TNT 600 but that chassis was junk so I doubt it’s true 400 lbs is hard to do with any amount of structural rigidity. Skidoos also got heavier with etec. I don't think 400 lbs is the benchmark cat should be striving for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, Anler said: 400 lbs is hard to do with any amount of structural rigidity. Skidoos also got heavier with etec. I don't think 400 lbs is the benchmark cat should be striving for. No. Maybe 450-460 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 12, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2022 Not a big fan of the stub nose look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkipinki Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 16 hours ago, Anler said: This new cat style looks awfully familiar... I don't think so. When you look real close the entire front end is different. Doo's G4 platform is very front end heavy, this has the motor much farther back. 16 hours ago, Anler said: Oh that's right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, ACE said: No. Maybe 450-460 Those original xp's bent way too easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Anler said: Those original xp's bent way too easily. I bought a new 08. Super fun sled but kinda handled and rode like ass. And was always broken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 12, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2022 Saying the new motor isn't ready does not show well for them in my book. They are already 5 years behind motor wise and now they need another year. Get with the program Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, stinkipinki said: I don't think so. When you look real close the entire front end is different. Doo's G4 platform is very front end heavy, this has the motor much farther back. I was a skidoo guy for 25 years and they have always been front heavy and twitchy feeling. I left for Polaris after riding a pro s for a weekend. That chassis was super balanced and handled way better that the xp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, Highmark said: Saying the new motor isn't ready does not show well for them in my book. They are already 5 years behind motor wise and now they need another year. Get with the program Cat. Well they still have another year to figure it out lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Saying the new motor isn't ready does not show well for them in my book. They are already 5 years behind motor wise and now they need another year. Get with the program Cat. I dunno. I’d rather wait a year than end up with an engine that’s junk like doo or poo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkipinki Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: Saying the new motor isn't ready does not show well for them in my book. They are already 5 years behind motor wise and now they need another year. Get with the program Cat. I disagree. It keeps people speculating...there is no way in hell they are just going to come out with the same o'l 800. The 600 CTEC (which btw is a great mill and helped Cat win sled of the year in 14) is being reworked, and I bet they come out with a 840-900cc motor for the larger displacement option. If they told everyone now, 2 years before it came out, it gives competitors notice and will let them react sooner. If they know Cat is coming out with a 900 for example, they might react to that. I think its smart for Cat to keep the big engine under wraps. What I am also truly curious about is, the agreement between Cat and Yamaha. Is that contract done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 An all new engine is never good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, ACE said: I dunno. I’d rather wait a year than end up with an engine that’s junk like doo or poo I haven't heard of any engine problems with doo or poo 850's. And I don't mean read on the internet heard I mean we talk to a few large dealerships and engine problems have been miniscule. Shit the poo 800 was a beast, I have almost 6000 miles on mine. Flawless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkipinki Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Anler said: An all new engine is never good. The Catalyst 600 CTEC isn't all new, it's just reworked. This new, larger engine I'm sure will be somewhat similar to their 800 CTEC 2, with just a bigger bore. The big question is, what exactly will Cat land on.... 850, 880, 900, 950....who knows. It's exciting to know that this is all real now, and the Haters are out in full force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, stinkipinki said: The Catalyst 600 CTEC isn't all new, it's just reworked. This new, larger engine I'm sure will be somewhat similar to their 800 CTEC 2, with just a bigger bore. The big question is, what exactly will Cat land on.... 850, 880, 900, 950....who knows. It's exciting to know that this is all real now, and the Haters are out in full force. 600's all seem to be more reliable than the 800+CC's. Yeah cat is going to need to come out with an 800+cc for people to get excited about it. I own 3 modern Polaris sleds but skidoo still has the most refined machines on snow. The etecs run like a damn sewing machine and are the benchmark for economy and efficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rod Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Anler said: I haven't heard of any engine problems with doo or poo 850's. And I don't mean read on the internet heard I mean we talk to a few large dealerships and engine problems have been miniscule. Shit the poo 800 was a beast, I have almost 6000 miles on mine. Flawless 850’s aren’t lasting here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Anler said: I haven't heard of any engine problems with doo or poo 850's. And I don't mean read on the internet heard I mean we talk to a few large dealerships and engine problems have been miniscule. Shit the poo 800 was a beast, I have almost 6000 miles on mine. Flawless 850’s aren’t lasting here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, ACE said: 850’s aren’t lasting here. One of my riding buds put 5000+ miles on one last season. He is the service manager for a dealership. I think he said they sell about 300 new sleds a year (includes Yamahas). No real engine issues with the 850's. Said they had one 850 fail the first year but it was an rmk. Polaris shipped a new engine and gave customer an extra year of warranty and like $250 in accessories to make it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stinkipinki Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, ACE said: 850’s aren’t lasting here. I seen a few down last year too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Anler said: One of my riding buds put 5000+ miles on one last season. He is the service manager for a dealership. I think he said they sell about 300 new sleds a year (includes Yamahas). No real engine issues with the 850's. Said they had one 850 fail the first year but it was an rmk. Polaris shipped a new engine and gave customer an extra year of warranty and like $250 in accessories to make it right. Here they seem like your typical doo 2 stroke. Not as bad as Polaris but I wouldn’t want one off warranty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, stinkipinki said: I disagree. It keeps people speculating...there is no way in hell they are just going to come out with the same o'l 800. The 600 CTEC (which btw is a great mill and helped Cat win sled of the year in 14) is being reworked, and I bet they come out with a 840-900cc motor for the larger displacement option. If they told everyone now, 2 years before it came out, it gives competitors notice and will let them react sooner. If they know Cat is coming out with a 900 for example, they might react to that. I think its smart for Cat to keep the big engine under wraps. What I am also truly curious about is, the agreement between Cat and Yamaha. Is that contract done? Doo and Poo aren't "reacting" to anything that Cat does these days.They are walking their own paths one upping each other. Cat has been irrelevant for so long all Cat guys can do is speculate just as you keep doing here.You guys have been doing it since the Procross came out and got nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 minute ago, HSR said: Doo and Poo aren't "reacting" to anything that Cat does these days.They are walking their own paths one upping each other. Cat has been irrelevant for so long all Cat guys can do is speculate just as you keep doing here.You guys have been doing it since the Procross came out and got nothing. Skidoo is still #1 so they are the target. They make damn nice machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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