Anler Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 12 hours ago, spin_dry said: Unknowns on an obscure snowmobile website claim to know more than climatologists. Lake Mead has been below full capacity since 1983. So due to 50 year drought or increased water demand from increased population and hoover dam having to produce more electricity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Anler said: Lake Mead has been below full capacity since 1983. So due to 50 year drought or increased water demand from increased population and hoover dam having to produce more electricity? Without this MAN MADE reservoir, the population would not be sustainable in that desert. PERIOD. It's like expecting New Orleans never to flood when it is below sea level. Common sense. Edited June 19, 2022 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted June 19, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Snake said: Sitting here with my coffee.... lined pants, a robe and the heat pump on for the beautiful 52 degree high... Pool water is a brisk 64 degrees... MMMM love me some global warming...:lol: Surprised you would even have a pool in that Artic region....ours is only 76 degrees at this point. Might turn on the pool heater for awhile to warm it up a bit but really don't want to swim in 62 degree weather either....although I always like that feeling when you jump into a pool that is warmer than the air outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 minute ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Surprised you would even have a pool in that Artic region....ours is only 76 degrees at this point. Might turn on the pool heater for awhile to warm it up a bit but really don't want to swim in 62 degree weather either....although I always like that feeling when you jump into a pool that is warmer than the air outside. I M good when it hits 75 or so. I never used it much... wife and the kids love it. Lots of neices and nephew visits in the summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted June 19, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 19, 2022 30 minutes ago, Snake said: I M good when it hits 75 or so. I never used it much... wife and the kids love it. Lots of neices and nephew visits in the summer. Yeah...mostly the grandkids use ours. I grew up with a beautiful pool with my parents but hardly used it. Could do without it and the maintenance, actually frowned upon the place we ended up buying in Pa. because it had a pool. It was almost a deal breaker. But it is saltwater and generates it's own chlorine, so requires less maintenance for when we are not their for long periods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 58 minutes ago, Anler said: Lake Mead has been below full capacity since 1983. So due to 50 year drought or increased water demand from increased population and hoover dam having to produce more electricity? You are either assuming that I believe the collapse of Lake Mead is due to climate change or you're trying to offer me a condensed history lesson. If it's the first, your assumption is wrong. If it's the second, it's no required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, spin_dry said: You are either assuming that I believe the collapse of Lake Mead is due to climate change or you're trying to offer me a condensed history lesson. If it's the first, your assumption is wrong. If it's the second, it's no required. Ok well either way those people are fucked. Also tell me how to reverse climate change please because I don't know. I mean even if we reduce the world's population by half how does that work? Edited June 19, 2022 by Anler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 19, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted June 19, 2022 The drainage basin for the Colorado isn’t the desert. That is where the problem is this year and many years as climate change takes hold. Desert moisture contributed absolutely nothing to the Colorado river reservoirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Anler said: Ok well either way those people are fucked. Also tell me how to reverse climate change please because I don't know. I mean even if we reduce the world's population by half how does that work? I don't have a solution and I don't think climate change will be what causes the most chaos. There's going to be some winners and losers. Areas like Russia will be big winners. As the permafrost continues warm the region stands the chance of being less miserable and easier to inhabit and cultivate. America will face a lot of challenges. The southwest is quickly becoming uninhabitable. In turn there's going to be a population shift. In some respects it's already occurring. That's going to have some real geopolitical consequences for the various states involved. There''s a real possibility that a non-linear change to climate occurs. Elon Musk has discussed this. That would make things real interesting. Overall though, it's going to be about the availability of water and how climate effects this resource. Those are my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, spin_dry said: I don't have a solution and I don't think climate change will be what causes the most chaos. There's going to be some winners and losers. Areas like Russia will be big winners. As the permafrost continues warm the region stands the chance of being less miserable and easier to inhabit and cultivate. America will face a lot of challenges. The southwest is quickly becoming uninhabitable. In turn there's going to be a population shift. In some respects it's already occurring. That's going to have some real geopolitical consequences for the various states involved. There''s a real possibility that a non-linear change to climate occurs. Elon Musk has discussed this. That would make things real interesting. Overall though, it's going to be about the availability of water and how climate effects this resource. Those are my thoughts. Well I would say that is less about climate change as it is consumption due to over population in areas that cannot support it. The desert has always been the desert and the limited water supply was never meant to provide for 10's of millions of people and agriculture and industry. Edited June 19, 2022 by Anler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted June 19, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Anler said: Ok well either way those people are fucked. Also tell me how to reverse climate change please because I don't know. I mean even if we reduce the world's population by half how does that work? Adapting...It will be an interesting challenge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Anler said: Well I would say that is less about climate change as it is consumption due to over population in areas that cannot support it. The desert has always been the desert and the limited water supply was never meant to provide for 10's of millions of people and agriculture and industry. It comes down to whether or not a person sees evidence of human behavior having a significant effect on temperatures and resulting weather patterns. I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted June 19, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 19, 2022 A combination of overall warmer Temps(more evaporation), persistent drought conditions as well as population increase has all contributed to the conditions we are seeing today. https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/southwest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 2 hours ago, spin_dry said: It comes down to whether or not a person sees evidence of human behavior having a significant effect on temperatures and resulting weather patterns. I do. In the desert I would say over consumption leads to shortage of local resources. That isn't a belief that is just reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Absolutely ridiculous kill myself Africa hot here today. Just brutal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Snake said: I M good when it hits 75 or so. I never used it much... wife and the kids love it. Lots of neices and nephew visits in the summer. Same. I haven't been in ours in 2 years. Kids and friends use it all the time tho. Ours is 85 today tho. Was hot as fuck last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Adapting...It will be an interesting challenge Adapting, you bet. The Hoover dam is the perfect example of what humans can do to adapt. They adapted a place that was desert into a place for humans to live and thrive. Edited June 19, 2022 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted June 19, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, racer254 said: Adapting, you bet. The Hoover dam is the perfect example of what humans can do to adapt. They adapted a place that was desert into a place for humans to live and thrive. Yup and will continue to need and find ways to adapt... Hoover dam may be kaput soon....challenging but I believe Ingenuity will prevail. Edited June 19, 2022 by ViperGTS/Z1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Yup and will continue to need and find ways to adapt... Hoover dam may be kaput soon....challenging but I believe Ingenuity will prevail. We have had multiple infrastructure bills, but all they want to concentrate on over by California is public transportation and wasting money on railroads. Newsflash, water and electricity is more important. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Anler said: In the desert I would say over consumption leads to shortage of local resources. That isn't a belief that is just reality. But it feels good to get undeserved virtue for believing a narrative you’re told to believe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 minute ago, ACE said: But it feels good to get undeserved virtue for believing a narrative you’re told to believe I mean holy fuck you can't put tens of millions of people in the desert and expect a river to service that for eternity. Especially with a growing population. That is in fact science. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2700 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Maybe they should of thought about reducing water usage 15 years ago!! watering yards in Arizona and California! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, Anler said: I mean holy fuck you can't put tens of millions of people in the desert and expect a river to service that for eternity. Especially with a growing population. That is in fact science. Lol it’s so painful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airflite1 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Didn't they just divert a huge amount of water that would have gone to Lake Mead to the new lake in Las Vegas? https://lakelasvegas.com/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 30 minutes ago, airflite1 said: Didn't they just divert a huge amount of water that would have gone to Lake Mead to the new lake in Las Vegas? https://lakelasvegas.com/ Yes,I’ve posted it several times and climate religious ones on here keep starting new threads about mead is drying up because of cow farts. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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