ArcticCrusher Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Anler said: Oh yeah and Ukraine will get destroyed and millions of people's lives uprooted and thousands dead. Global inflation and shortages. LETS DO IT SOME MORE! You are no different than the people you condemn. He is incapable of forming any thought that goes against the MSM narrative. Hook, line and sinker, total sheep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted April 1, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 1, 2022 31 minutes ago, ford_428cj said: I think we need to focus on our own economy. Future business with Russia we have no need for as well? Who knows how compromised Brandon is with China tho? We are paying for all of this? Are we worried about this equipment getting into the wrong hands or? Brandon is very compromised with China we can't trust a thing he does anymore.... he's got money interests in all those countries. After we left all that billions and billions of dollars of equipment in Afghanistan I'm not too worried about what we're giving Ukraine and I hope it's getting the right hands... I see your point bro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 24 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: He is incapable of forming any thought that goes against the MSM narrative. Hook, line and sinker, total sheep. Crazy how that works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 When our border is secure, I will worry about others... till then, screw..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Anler said: Nobody should delude themselves that a war with China AND Russia is gonna be a good thing for the world. And that's what so handy about this situation, Russian is shooting themselves in the foot without a single US soldier involved in Ukraine. Again, this will set them back probably a decade both militarily and economically. 1 hour ago, ford_428cj said: I think we need to focus on our own economy. Future business with Russia we have no need for as well? Sure, and as you know we're connected to a global economy. The price of a barrel of oil is based on world wide demand. And the worlds democracies would love to do business with Russia if they didn't invade and annex other countries territories. Call it what you want, but we should stand for something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: He is incapable of forming any thought that goes against the MSM narrative. Hook, line and sinker, total sheep. 1 hour ago, Anler said: Crazy how that works It's called being hawkish. Generally speaking, it's a conservative thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, akvanden said: And that's what so handy about this situation, Russian is shooting themselves in the foot without a single US soldier involved in Ukraine. Again, this will set them back probably a decade both militarily and economically. Sure, and as you know we're connected to a global economy. The price of a barrel of oil is based on world wide demand. And the worlds democracies would love to do business with Russia if they didn't invade and annex other countries territories. Call it what you want, but we should stand for something. Don't kid yourself, they have private contractors in there using the us hardware we gave them. They aren't doing anything to the Russians with a civilian army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 17 minutes ago, akvanden said: And that's what so handy about this situation, Russian is shooting themselves in the foot without a single US soldier involved in Ukraine. Again, this will set them back probably a decade both militarily and economically. Sure, and as you know we're connected to a global economy. The price of a barrel of oil is based on world wide demand. And the worlds democracies would love to do business with Russia if they didn't invade and annex other countries territories. Call it what you want, but we should stand for something. The west goaded Putin into this invasion. I mean it's not like this hasn't been a topic of discussion for the last 8 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Anler said: Don't kid yourself, they have private contractors in there using the us hardware we gave them. They aren't doing anything to the Russians with a civilian army. Not kidding myself, contractors and arms is money well spent, IMO, to show that Russia is/was a paper tiger given the situation. BUT, I think we can all agree they never should have invaded in the first place. 1 minute ago, Anler said: The west goaded Putin into this invasion. I mean it's not like this hasn't been a topic of discussion for the last 8 years. Sorry, I don't get into the apologist "we made the bad man do it" point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, akvanden said: It's called being hawkish. Generally speaking, it's a conservative thing. Its an authoritarian thing. Real conservatives are non interventionist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 1 minute ago, akvanden said: Not kidding myself, contractors and arms is money well spent, IMO, to show that Russia is/was a paper tiger given the situation. BUT, I think we can all agree they never should have invaded in the first place. Sorry, I don't get into the apologist "we made the bad man do it" point of view. Who has killed more civilians in the last 20 years and then lets point fingers at the "bad man" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, akvanden said: Not kidding myself, contractors and arms is money well spent, IMO, to show that Russia is/was a paper tiger given the situation. BUT, I think we can all agree they never should have invaded in the first place. Another country destroyed 10's of thousands dead (and counting) Millions displaced Billions spent/wasted Energy shortages/Hyper inflated energy costs Hyper inflated food costs/ potential food shortages Humanity disasters everywhere None of our business Neolibs: Money well spent! The world would be alot better off without the "hawkish" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Anler said: Its an authoritarian thing. Real conservatives are non interventionist. Ah, I missed the memo. 20 minutes ago, Anler said: Who has killed more civilians in the last 20 years and then lets point fingers at the "bad man" I don't know, we're currently having a discussion on Putin's invasion of Russia that "we provoked him to do." 15 minutes ago, Anler said: Another country destroyed 10's of thousands dead (and counting) Millions displaced Billions spent/wasted Energy shortages/Hyper inflated energy costs Hyper inflated food costs/ potential food shortages Humanity disasters everywhere None of our business Neolibs: Money well spent! The world would be alot better off without the "hawkish" And for this very reason, I ended the statement with "BUT, I think we can all agree they never should have invaded in the first place." Because of Russia's decision, we're now in the business of making lemonade out of lemons. Edited April 1, 2022 by akvanden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 30 minutes ago, Anler said: The west goaded Putin into this invasion. I mean it's not like this hasn't been a topic of discussion for the last 8 years. How many other of his invasions has the West goaded him into? Is Putin responsible for anything, or just a poor victim of NATO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 49 minutes ago, akvanden said: And that's what so handy about this situation, Russian is shooting themselves in the foot without a single US soldier involved in Ukraine. Again, this will set them back probably a decade both militarily and economically. Sure, and as you know we're connected to a global economy. The price of a barrel of oil is based on world wide demand. And the worlds democracies would love to do business with Russia if they didn't invade and annex other countries territories. Call it what you want, but we should stand for something. We just were sharing space station with them - now we hate them? Sorry ...I'm not jumping on that bandwagon just yet. How much is this going to effect us? As far as invading other countries- I don't think we should be preaching about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: How many other of his invasions has the West goaded him into? Is Putin responsible for anything, or just a poor victim of NATO? You mean like his invasions of Iraq or northern Africa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, akvanden said: Ah, I missed the memo. I don't know, we're currently having a discussion on Putin's invasion of Russia that "we provoked him to do." And for this very reason, I ended the statement with "BUT, I think we can all agree they never should have invaded in the first place." But because of Russia's decision, we're now in the business of making lemonade out of lemons. We are in the business of perpetuating war so we can bilk trillions out of taxpayer coffers. NATO is good for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, spin_dry said: How many other of his invasions has the West goaded him into? Is Putin responsible for anything, or just a poor victim of NATO? Would the US like it if Russia/China ran war game simulations on the US Mexico border? How about if they installed missile defense systems there and tried to get Mexico to join their super cool defense pact? I mean come the fuck on with this bullshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, akvanden said: Ah, I missed the memo. I don't know, we're currently having a discussion on Putin's invasion of Russia that "we provoked him to do." And for this very reason, I ended the statement with "BUT, I think we can all agree they never should have invaded in the first place." Because of Russia's decision, we're now in the business of making lemonade out of lemons. Well for sure. However if they were planning on militarizing Ukraine like they did with the other 13 countries on Russia's border and Vlad gave numerous warnings for them to NOT do that then sounds like maybe you wanted Vlad to invade. Then the west can have the proxy war with Russia they have always wanted without looking like a bunch of tyrants that just starve countries to death for not being in their club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Just now, f7ben said: Would the US like it if Russia/China ran war game simulations on the US Mexico border? How about if they installed missile defense systems there and tried to get Mexico to join their super cool defense pact? I mean come the fuck on with this bullshit Pro war liberals are the worst! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Just now, Anler said: You mean like his invasions of Iraq or northern Africa? Chechnya x2, Georgia, Abkhaza, Transnistria, Prigorodny conflict, Tajikistani civil war, Dagestan, Georgia, North Caucus insurgous, Crimea, Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Just now, spin_dry said: Chechnya x2, Georgia, Abkhaza, Transnistria, Prigorodny conflict, Tajikistani civil war, Dagestan, Georgia, North Caucus insurgous, Crimea, Ukraine. Had to kick the Nazis out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, f7ben said: Would the US like it if Russia/China ran war game simulations on the US Mexico border? How about if they installed missile defense systems there and tried to get Mexico to join their super cool defense pact? I mean come the fuck on with this bullshit Perhaps if Putin stopped invading eastern block countries the need for NATO would’ve gone away. Or was all that the west’s fault as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Just now, Anler said: Had to kick the Nazis out He’s a fucking thug and time he had his nails trimmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Just now, spin_dry said: He’s a fucking thug and time he had his nails trimmed. So how many civilians has he killed militarily and with sanctions? I mean let's make a thug chart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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