2022 EPA Snowmobile engine data 840 turbo data funny....

[krom]

full data here:
https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2022-02/snowmobile-2015-present.xlsx

I've grabbed all the 22 info, weeded it out and posted it below.
HP is calculated by my spread sheet, not shown in the original data.  I took posted max TQ and RPM, and let excel do the math (HP= (tq*rpm)/5252 )

Year Manu 4-Feb cyl cc Air Aspiration Type Models Certified EDV Model (N-m) (rpm) (ft/lbs) HP 2022 Arctic Cat 4 Stroke 1 123 Naturally Aspirated ZR 120, SRX 120 ZR 120 5 3460 3.7 2.4 2022 Arctic Cat 4 Stroke 1 192 Naturally Aspirated ZR 200, SXR 200 ZR 200 12.5 5440 9.2 9.5 2022 Arctic Cat 2 Stroke 2 600 Naturally Aspirated ZR 6000, M 6000, Riot 6000 6000 95.7 8400 70.6 112.9 2022 Arctic Cat 2 Stroke 1 397 Naturally Aspirated Blast 4000 ZR, Blast 4000 LT, Blast 4000 M, SX 400 400 54.2 7650 40.0 58.2 2022 Arctic Cat 2 Stroke   535 Naturally Aspirated VK 540 F 8KX 53.9 6500 39.8 49.2 2022 Arctic Cat 2 Stroke 2 794 Naturally Aspirated Riot X 8000, Riot 8000, ZR 8000, M 8000, NORSEMAN 8000, MP 800, M M 800 8000 114 8200 84.1 131.3 2022 Arctic Cat 4 Stroke 3 998 Turbocharged ZR 9000, Sidewinder SRS10LD 158.4 8750 116.8 194.6 2022 Arctic Cat 4 Stroke 3 1049 Naturally Aspirated SR Viper 7000 98.8 8500 72.9 117.9 2022 Arctic Cat 4 Stroke 1 123 Naturally Aspirated ZR 120, SRX 120 ZR 120 5 3460 3.7 2.4 2022 Arctic Cat 4 Stroke 1 192 Naturally Aspirated ZR 200, SXR 200 ZR 200 12.5 5440 9.2 9.5 2022 Arctic Cat 2 Stroke 1 397 Naturally Aspirated Blast 4000 ZR, Blast 4000 LT, Blast 4000 M, Blast 4000 XR, Blast 4000 Touring, SX 400 400 54.2 7650 40.0 58.2 2022 Arctic Cat 2 Stroke   535 Naturally Aspirated VK 540 F 8KX 53.9 6500 39.8 49.2 2022 Arctic Cat 2 Stroke 2 600 Naturally Aspirated ZR 6000, M 6000, Riot 6000 6000 95.7 8400 70.6 112.9 2022 Arctic Cat 2 Stroke 2 794 Naturally Aspirated Riot X 8000, Riot 8000, ZR 8000, M 8000, Norseman 8000, MP 800, MM 800 8000 114 8200 84.1 131.3 2022 Arctic Cat 4 Stroke 3 998 Turbocharged ZR 9000, Sidewinder SRS10LD 158.4 8750 116.8 194.6 2022 Arctic Cat 4 Stroke 3 1049 Naturally Aspirated SR Viper 7000 98.8 8500 72.9 117.9 2022 BRP 2 Stroke 2 599 Naturally Aspirated MXZ TNT, MXZ X, MXZ X-RS, Renegade Enduro, Renegade Adrenaline, Renegade X, Backcountry, Summit SP, Renegade X-RS, Expedition LE, SE, Expedition SWT Rotax 600R E-TEC 109.2 8150 80.5 125.0 2022 BRP 2 Stroke 2 599 Naturally Aspirated MXZ Sport, Renegade Sport, Backcountry Sport, Expedition Sport, Skandic WT, Skandic Sport, Tundra LT, Tundra Sport Rotax 600 EFI 84.3 7500 62.2 88.8 2022 BRP 4 Stroke   600 Naturally Aspirated Renegade Sport, Grand Touring Sport, Expedition Sport, Tundra LT, Tundra Sport, Skandic WT Rotax 600 ACE 56.8 7250 41.9 57.8 2022 BRP 2 Stroke 2 849 Naturally Aspirated MXZ TNT, MXZ X, MXZ X-RS, Renegade Adrenaline, Renegade X, Renegade X-RS, Renegade Enduro, Backcountry, Backcountry X, Backcountry X-RS, Freeride Rotax 850 E-TEC 144.5 7899 106.6 160.3 2022 BRP 4 Stroke 3 899 Naturally Aspirated Renegade Adrenaline, Renegade Enduro, Grand Touring Sport, Grand Touring Limited, Expedition Sport, Expedition LE, SE, Skandic WT, SWT, Expedition SWT Rotax 900 ACE 92 7250 67.9 93.7 2022 BRP 4 Stroke 3 899 Turbocharged Expedition LE, SE, Expedition SWT Rotax 900 ACE Turbo 140.2 7750 103.4 152.6 2022 BRP 2 Stroke 2 599 Naturally Aspirated MXZ TNT, MXZ X, MXZ X-RS, Renegade Enduro, Renegade Adrenaline, Renegade X, Backcountry, Summit SP, Renegade X-RS, Expedition LE, SE, Expedition SWT Rotax 600R E-TEC 109.2 8150 80.5 125.0 2022 BRP 2 Stroke 2 599 Naturally Aspirated MXZ Sport, Renegade Sport, Backcountry Sport, Expedition Sport, Skandic WT, Skandic Sport, Tundra LT, Tundra Sport Rotax 600 EFI 84.3 7500 62.2 88.8 2022 BRP 4 Stroke   600 Naturally Aspirated Renegade Sport, Grand Touring Sport, Expedition Sport, Tundra LT, Tundra Sport, Skandic WT Rotax 600 ACE 56.8 7250 41.9 57.8 2022 BRP 2 Stroke 2 849 Turbocharged SUMMIT X EXPERT, SUMMIT X, Freeride Rotax 850 E-TEC Turbo 149.6 7893 110.3 165.8 2022 BRP 2 Stroke 2 849 Naturally Aspirated MXZ TNT, MXZ X, MXZ X-RS, Renegade Adrenaline, Renegade X, Renegade X-RS, Renegade Enduro, Backcountry, Backcountry X, Backcountry X-RS, Freeride Rotax 850 E-TEC 144.5 7899 106.6 160.3 2022 BRP 4 Stroke 3 899 Naturally Aspirated Renegade Adrenaline, Renegade Enduro, Grand Touring Sport, Grand Touring Limited, Expedition Sport, Expedition LE, SE, Skandic WT, SWT, Expedition SWT Rotax 900 ACE 92 7250 67.9 93.7 2022 BRP 4 Stroke 3 899 Turbocharged Expedition LE, SE, Expedition SWT Rotax 900 ACE Turbo 140.2 7750 103.4 152.6 2022 BRP 4 Stroke 3 899 Turbocharged Mach Z, Renegade X-RS, Renegade X, Renegade Enduro, Renegade Adrenaline, Grand Touring Limited Rotax 900 ACE Turbo R 162.9 7897 120.1 180.7 2022 BRP 4 Stroke 3 899 Turbocharged Renegade Enduro, Renegade X-RS, Renegade X Rotax 900 ACE Turbo DT 118.3 7898 87.3 131.2 2022 Polaris Industries Inc. 4 Stroke 1 121 Naturally Aspirated 120 Indy, 120 Indy INTL 1204993 6.53 3600 4.8 3.3 2022 Polaris Industries Inc. 2 Stroke 2 544 Naturally Aspirated 550 Indy 121; 550 Indy 144 550 Indy Adventure 144 550 Indy Adventure 155 550 Indy LXT 550 Voyageur 144 550 Voyageur 155 Indy EVO 121 RMK EVO 144 Polaris  56.1 7000 41.4 55.1 2022 Polaris Industries Inc. 2 Stroke 2 599 Naturally Aspirated 600 INDY SP 129 ES, 600 INDY SP 137 ES, 600 RMK 144 ES, 600 INDY CROSS COUNTRY Polaris - 1206276 92.2 8250 68.0 106.8 2022 Polaris Industries Inc. 2 Stroke 2 650 Naturally Aspirated 650 VOYAGEUR 146 ES, 650 INDY VR1 129, 650 INDY XC 129, 650 INDY ADVENTURE 137, 650 INDY XC 137, 650 INDY VR1 137, 650 SB XC 146, 650 SB ASSAULT 146, 650 INDY XCR 136, 650 INDY XCR 128, 650 PRO RMK MATRYX 155, 650 RMK KHAOS MATRYX SLASH 146 Polaris - 1206221 94.2 8250 69.5 109.1 2022 Polaris Industries Inc. 2 Stroke 2 794 Naturally Aspirated 800 Titan Adventure 155 800 Titan XC 155 Military 800 Titan XC Polaris - 1205547 115.4 8250 85.1 133.7 2022 Polaris Industries Inc. 2 Stroke 2 840 Naturally Aspirated 850 RMK PRO 155 2.75", 850 RMK PRO 155 3", 850 RMK KHAOS 155 2.75", 850 RMK KHAOS 155 3", 850 RMK PRO 165 2.75", 850 RMK PRO 163 3", 850 RMK KHAOS 165 2.75", 850 RMK KHAOS 163 3", 850 INDY ADVENTURE 137, 850 INDY XCR 136, 850 INDY XC 137, 850 INDY VR1 137, 850 RMK KHAOS 155, 850 RMK PRO 155, 850 INDY XCR 128, 850 INDY XC 129, 850 INDY VR1 129, 850 SB ASSAULT 146, 850 SB XC 146, 850 RMK KHAOS 155 SLASH, 850 RMK PRO 155 SLASH, 850 RMK KHAOS 146 SLASH, 850 RMK KHAOS 155, 850 RMK PRO 155, 850 RMK PRO 155 3" SLASH, 850 KHAOS 165 SLASH, 850 PRO 165 SLASH, 850 RMK KHAOS 163 SLASH, 850 RMK PRO 163 SLASH Polaris - 1206226 124.6 8250 91.9 144.4 2022 Polaris Industries Inc. 4 Stroke 1 121 Naturally Aspirated 120 Indy, 120 Indy INTL 1204993 6.53 3600 4.8 3.3 2022 Polaris Industries Inc. 2 Stroke 2 544 Naturally Aspirated 550 Indy 121; 550 Indy 144 550 Indy Adventure 144 550 Indy Adventure 155 550 Indy LXT 550 Voyageur 144 550 Voyageur 155 Indy EVO 121 RMK EVO 144 Polaris  56.1 7000 41.4 55.1 2022 Polaris Industries Inc. 2 Stroke 2 599 Naturally Aspirated 600 INDY SP 129 ES, 600 INDY SP 137 ES, 600 RMK 144 ES, 600 INDY CROSS COUNTRY Polaris - 1206276 92.2 8250 68.0 106.8 2022 Polaris Industries Inc. 2 Stroke 2 650 Naturally Aspirated 650 VOYAGEUR 146 ES, 650 INDY VR1 129, 650 INDY XC 129, 650 INDY ADVENTURE 137, 650 INDY XC 137, 650 INDY VR1 137, 650 SB XC 146, 650 SB ASSAULT 146, 650 INDY XCR 136, 650 INDY XCR 128, 650 PRO RMK MATRYX 155, 650 RMK KHAOS MATRYX SLASH 146 Polaris - 1206221 94.2 8250 69.5 109.1 2022 Polaris Industries Inc. 2 Stroke 2 794 Naturally Aspirated 800 Titan Adventure 155 800 Titan XC 155 Military 800 Titan XC Polaris - 1205547 115.4 8250 85.1 133.7 2022 Polaris Industries Inc. 2 Stroke 2 840 Naturally Aspirated 850 RMK PRO 155 2.75", 850 RMK PRO 155 3", 850 RMK KHAOS 155 2.75", 850 RMK KHAOS 155 3", 850 RMK PRO 165 2.75", 850 RMK PRO 163 3", 850 RMK KHAOS 165 2.75", 850 RMK KHAOS 163 3", 850 INDY ADVENTURE 137, 850 INDY XCR 136, 850 INDY XC 137, 850 INDY VR1 137, 850 RMK KHAOS 155, 850 RMK PRO 155, 850 INDY XCR 128, 850 INDY XC 129, 850 INDY VR1 129, 850 SB ASSAULT 146, 850 SB XC 146, 850 RMK KHAOS 155 SLASH, 850 RMK PRO 155 SLASH, 850 RMK KHAOS 146 SLASH, 850 RMK KHAOS 155, 850 RMK PRO 155, 850 RMK PRO 155 3" SLASH, 850 KHAOS 165 SLASH, 850 PRO 165 SLASH, 850 RMK KHAOS 163 SLASH, 850 RMK PRO 163 SLASH Polaris - 1206226 124.6 8250 91.9 144.4 2022 Polaris Industries Inc. 2 Stroke 2 840 Turbocharged PATRIOT BOOST PRO RMK MATRYX SLASH 163 3", PATRIOT BOOST PRO RMK MATRYX SLASH 165 2.75", PATRIOT BOOST RMK KHAOS MATRYX SLASH 155 Polaris - 1206253 131.4 8250 96.9 152.2

Edited March 8, 2022 by krom

[krom]

The poo turbo 840 makes quite a bit less TQ than the doo

[Not greg b]

Bmp will dyno it at 300hp in brake in mode

[Crnr2Crnr]

Krommy, what's a good Polaris group on FB to get kicked out of next?

[Crnr2Crnr]

Since no one in the red camp has any insight on this @krom... maybe @Tommcat can address the lack o umpf.

[krom]

3 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Since no one in the red camp has any insight on this @krom... maybe @Tommcat can address the lack o umpf.

is pretty odd how quiet they are in here....

[Boonbocker1]

I'll take the bait.   Does EPA dyno these or are they manufacturer provided #'s?   By all accounts the new polaris boost absolutly rips and the feedback I've heard is that its a step above the doo turbo power wise which would make sense with the doo now upping power for MY23.   Maybe polaris is more efficient getting the power to the ground?  

[Bontz]

I guess the next time our crew lines up and the Polaris sleds continue to shine over the other brands (Cat, in particular), I'll be sure to let the green guys know that, "Hey at least you dyno higher on the EPA dyno!"

[Crnr2Crnr]

16 minutes ago, Bontz said:

I guess the next time our crew lines up and the Polaris sleds continue to shine over the other brands (Cat, in particular), I'll be sure to let the green guys know that, "Hey at least you dyno higher on the EPA dyno!"

NA's on the chart above indicate...

Cat 800 131.3

Doo 850 160.3

Poo 840 144.4

 

 

And because I'm bored

Poo 600 106.8

Poo 650 109.1

Poo 800 133.7

Doo 600 125.0

Cat 600 112.9

 

More importantly, what's Jimmy's take on all this?

 

Edited March 8, 2022 by Crnr2Crnr

[Crnr2Crnr]

b-Last 58.2

[ZR6000RR]

Those EPA dyno numbers are just numbers. Shoot out the Cat 600 came in at 127. Doo came in at 124. 

[ZR6000RR]

1 minute ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

b-Last 58.2

Well still more than Poo's mighty 550 twin.  Ha ha! Not bad for a 400 single. True dyno is closer to 70 btw.

[Bontz]

14 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

Those EPA dyno numbers are just numbers. Shoot out the Cat 600 came in at 127. Doo came in at 124. 

So the dyno numbers you LIKE aren't "just numbers" ... is that what you're trying to tell us?  

[ZR6000RR]

2 minutes ago, Bontz said:

So the dyno numbers you LIKE aren't "just numbers" ... is that what you're trying to tell us?  

I trust when a real dyno is used. The EPA numbers are so far off that it kills me that it bothers you so much. 133 for the Poo 850 is probably pretty close though. So gutless that they had to put a Turbo on it to compete with Cats 800.

[Bontz]

8 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

I trust when a real dyno is used. The EPA numbers are so far off that it kills me that it bothers you so much. 133 for the Poo 850 is probably pretty close though. So gutless that they had to put a Turbo on it to compete with Cats 800.

What do you care about dynos or horsepower?  Aren't you the guy who claims he's too old and fat to go fast anymore and is perfectly content riding at 40mph or less? 

[ZR6000RR]

4 minutes ago, Bontz said:

What do you care about dynos or horsepower?  Aren't you the guy who claims he's too old and fat to go fast anymore and is perfectly content riding at 40mph or less? 

50 - 70. 

[Guest]

So the new ctec 800 still can't make more hp than the 2015 era poo 800. That's pretty sad.I can see why you guys got such a hate on for Polaris,,I would too if I was stuck on Cat. 

[Crnr2Crnr]

 

Isn't 50 the speed limit in Minneslowda?

[Bontz]

2 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

 

Isn't 50 the speed limit in Minneslowda?

You're forgetting a key word ...50mph is the LEGAL speed limit   Kind of like WI for night time riding - I don't think I saw too many people adhering to that LEGAL speed limit on Lake Namakagon over the years!! LOL

Edited March 8, 2022 by Bontz

[Guest]

2 hours ago, ZR6000RR said:

50 - 70. 

That's pretty much WFO unless a factory mechanic massaged it 

[ZR6000RR]

Seen 101 on GPS a couple years ago. One time try. 6 plus mile run on a smooth lake. Strange thing was my scratchers were down and it was not that thrilling.  Guess I've grown up from being an idiot. You it seems not so much.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

Seen 101 on GPS a couple years ago. One time try. 6 plus mile run on a smooth lake. Strange thing was my scratchers were down and it was not that thrilling.  Guess I've grown up from being an idiot. You it seems not so much.

I call BS on the speed AND you growing up from being an idiot. 

I find 100+mph is way more thrilling with the scratchers up 

[ZR6000RR]

8 minutes ago, HSR said:

I call BS on the speed AND you growing up from being an idiot. 

I find 100+mph is way more thrilling with the scratchers up 

Your word against mine. I saw it. My riding group all saw it as well. Do not care what you think. Never did. Even back in the hardcore days. You are still a loser in my lasik repaired eyes. I see very clearly.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

Your word against mine. I saw it. My riding group all saw it as well. Do not care what you think. Never did. Even back in the hardcore days. You are still a loser in my lasik repaired eyes. I see very clearly.

Yes you do,,,that's why you keep responding

What's funny is you're only disputing the speed comment 

[ZR6000RR]

 

13 minutes ago, HSR said: