Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 22, 2021 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, racer254 said: Wind farms take up 10x the amount of space that nuclear does. There are less of a chance that you will live next to nuclear than a wind farm. Agreed however I don't want to live next to either. Not many do other than those making money from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 22, 2021 Gold Member Share Posted September 22, 2021 You can recycle lithium ion batteries as well. http://www.bestmag.co.uk/indnews/li-cycle-ups-us-lithium-ion-battery-recycling-capacity-meet-growing-demand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Agreed however I don't want to live next to either. Not many do other than those making money from it. I agree, just saying there is better chance of living next to a wind farm than nuclear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 12 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: I'd rather have tons of spent nuclear reactor material with a 100,000 year half like filling up the desert. nukes produce minimal waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 12 hours ago, BOHICA said: GE is grinding up blades with a partner and using it to replace reinforcement products in cement. https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ge-announces-first-us-wind-turbine-blade-recycling-program-with-veolia/591869/ That would be concrete, cement is powder, anyhow they have used ground up old tires in between lifts of Asphalt to dispose of the tires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Angry ginger said: nukes produce minimal waste. There’s about a 100,000 tons of waste. The problems are long half life and the fact that states are refusing to take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 12 hours ago, BOHICA said: Also some forms of energy are reliable 24/7 producers and some are not. Definitely need a combination. Correct. The ongoing solution to energy production is a combination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 13 hours ago, racinfarmer said: So we are going to use chemicals of God knows what creation to break down the blades, then further break down the resins? Maybe the Devil we know is better then the one we don't? Doubt it. I don't know why we couldn't grind it up and use it in concrete? If that's a good idea and some corporation starts doing it, I demand some type of royalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 The solution is simple, less fucking people. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 58 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: The solution is simple, less fucking people. Problem solved. That’s what Bill Gates has been saying and why the covid vaccine makes testicles shrivel up and die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 In case you don't know, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, racer254 said: In case you don't know, China is 1.415 billion, or 18.5% of global population. India is 1.354 billion, or 17.7% of global population. Using 2018 data here's people per km2 China 148 India 455 US 36 Brazil 25 Interestingly, Canada is only 4 per km2 Clearly, we must invade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Or, think about this. In the year zero it's estimated there was 190 million people on this marble. By 1928 the estimated world population was 2 billion and in 2019 we were at about 7.7 billion. That's a lot of mouths to feed, a lot of wattage to produce and a fuckload of people putting pressure on our resources and polluting the environment. Was this rock ever intended to support this many of us driving cars, running the electrical grid and gobbling up the resources? I don't think so. https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 19 hours ago, BOHICA said: Vestas has the tech to recycle it. Plans to scale it up and they will be able to resuse almost the the entire blade and make a new one. What you're clearly missing is the point at the cost at producing these things, the pollution/waste in making them, their live span, the numerous forests, wetlands and other places that are being razed and desecrated in order to put these monstrosities up. Please enlighten me how carbon absorbing, climate cooling forests and natural habitats for thousands of creatures makes any sense to you with this "GREEN" movement??? Open your eyes, dude, you're being lied to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 23, 2021 Gold Member Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, irv said: What you're clearly missing is the point at the cost at producing these things, the pollution/waste in making them, their live span, the numerous forests, wetlands and other places that are being razed and desecrated in order to put these monstrosities up. Please enlighten me how carbon absorbing, climate cooling forests and natural habitats for thousands of creatures makes any sense to you with this "GREEN" movement??? Open your eyes, dude, you're being lied to. 25 years or so is the blade life span. If they can be recycled it is great news. They aren’t clearing anymore land then any other forms of energy production and they mainly are built on private land anyways… In a lot of areas they are put where crops grow and cattle graze and the land would be cleared anyway. Less the 5% of US wind production is on public lands. Edited September 23, 2021 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2700 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Real question is why do these windmills sit idle more than they turn? I drive by a lot of these daily and see this often? if so great why not turning 24/7 wind providing? im sure xcel energy has investors to answer too if not generating power to sell!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, X2700 said: Real question is why do these windmills sit idle more than they turn? I drive by a lot of these daily and see this often? if so great why not turning 24/7 wind providing? im sure xcel energy has investors to answer too if not generating power to sell!!! Up here it doesn't matter if they spin or not. The foreign investors get paid no matter what. Nothing but a liberal feel good plan that was all implemented to appease the ignorant and make the rich even more rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: Or, think about this. In the year zero it's estimated there was 190 million people on this marble. By 1928 the estimated world population was 2 billion and in 2019 we were at about 7.7 billion. That's a lot of mouths to feed, a lot of wattage to produce and a fuckload of people putting pressure on our resources and polluting the environment. Was this rock ever intended to support this many of us driving cars, running the electrical grid and gobbling up the resources? I don't think so. https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth Do you have kids.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Sleepr2 said: Do you have kids.? One, to replace two of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Crnr2Crnr said: One, to replace two of us. So you’re contributing to the problem….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/21/2021 at 8:09 PM, Highmark said: Can't recycle the fiberglass blades so they bury them. Same issue with lithium batteries. That is not even taking in to consideration the tons and tons of bunker fuel used to deliver them the to US . Green I tell you Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 11 hours ago, Highmark said: Agreed however I don't want to live next to either. Not many do other than those making money from it. My cuz has a lake place on the MN SD border. Had it for decades . Now you look out at night and see miles of red flashing lights and in the day Miles of blades. But his bud has one littealy in his back lot . You sit in his living room in the morning and get a odd shade then sun then shade then sun . He had to get room dark shades on the back and side of his house to stop from going crazy lol . If tv on you can't hear it but if not pretty noticeable. In yard pretty bad swoosh swoosh non stop . He was in a fucked up deal with his house and yard in MN and power company lease in SD he was on the loosing side of set back laws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said: So you’re contributing to the problem….. Minimizing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 23, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: Or, think about this. In the year zero it's estimated there was 190 million people on this marble. By 1928 the estimated world population was 2 billion and in 2019 we were at about 7.7 billion. That's a lot of mouths to feed, a lot of wattage to produce and a fuckload of people putting pressure on our resources and polluting the environment. Was this rock ever intended to support this many of us driving cars, running the electrical grid and gobbling up the resources? I don't think so. https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 23, 2021 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 23, 2021 9 hours ago, Ez ryder said: That is not even taking in to consideration the tons and tons of bunker fuel used to deliver them the to US . Green I tell you Green What's also completely ignored is the energy it takes to produce these wind turbines (and "recycle" them) is hardly ever paid off compared to other forms of energy. Same goes for electric cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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