Angry ginger Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mag6240 said: I went through this BS with my son about 4 years ago. He was following a twitter handle called proudsocialist or something like that, whining about how Amazon and Bezos shouldn't be allowed to get so rich and make money and on and on and on. I told him, that stupid phone you have in your hand, and the people telling you rich people are bad, aren't going to give you one red cent. NOTHING. Get off that damn phone and do what the successful people did if you want it, go make something of yourself, you have the same opportunity they did! Guess what, 4 years later, he's finished his school, paid off ALL of his student load debt, has a really good job making decent coin, and is on a much better trajectory financially than I was at his age. He's gotten smarter from working harder, and has ZERO debt. And guess what, I didn't, and neither did anyone else give him one red cent. He EARNED what he has by working his ass off, and has gotten smarter while doing it. Oh, and he's HAPPY and has quit whining about other people's successes. thank god my sons not a raging lib in college. TBH shocked with his political stance he hasn't gotten into trouble there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: They didn't work a thousand times harder than a millionaire. They also had the benefit of winning the lucky sperm lottery and were born to fairly well off parents that helped them. You don't get to a billion dollars by working hard, you get there by legal theft Wrong. you get there by inventing a better mouse trap and doing so within the confines of the law and tax policy. Policy that supposed to be designed to incentivize innovation. I’m not against raising taxes on billionaires but you can tax them at 99% and it still wouldn’t help your socialist schemes. You also think middle class landlords are leeches too, so your problem isn’t Elon Musk it’s envy and ignorance. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Angry ginger said: x1000000 physical work hard is completely different than working hard mentally and the toll that travelling etc that most truly successful do to get to the top. Musk being the #1 example of that IMO. . It certainly is, when you're a chair polisher/ keyboard tapper the headaches and paper cuts eventually go away on there own, when one works a physical job it usually requires corrective surgery after all the years of abuse. We have diminished real work in this country. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 55 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: thank god my sons not a raging lib in college. TBH shocked with his political stance he hasn't gotten into trouble there. Same with my daughter. I’m just stressing to her the need to keep her head down, fly under the radar and get to her goals. Don’t get sucked in to being some half-witted activist for anybody. 15 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Wrong. you get there by inventing a better mouse trap and doing so within the confines of the law and tax policy. Policy that supposed to be designed to incentivize innovation. I’m not against raising taxes on billionaires but you can tax them at 99% and it still wouldn’t help your socialist schemes. You also think middle class landlords are leeches too, so your problem isn’t Elon Musk it’s envy and ignorance. Eeesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 @motonoggin logic: "Rich folks don't help poor folks - Capitalism only allows the rich to get richer and is destined to be doomed!" Meanwhile, he owns/co-owns a business and clearly isn't leading by his logic. If that doesn't scream "My pussy hurts!! I wasn't BORN into money so I'm getting a raw deal!" ... I don't know what does. Idiot (or in @Mainecat speak, "Your an idiot") .... and yes, I know the difference Your vs. You're Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 8/30/2021 at 8:42 PM, Crnr2Crnr said: LMAO: wife's Kohl's card bill comes in the mail today. We carry zero credit card debt at all times, but some people are paying this rate??? Idk, but we keep a lot of liquid reserves in several banks and are lucky to get close to 1percent return. So, it's a fucking debters society and the lenders are pocketing 25% on idiots? Clearly 'this' is a path to a prosperous society. USA USA USA. LMAO, fucking morons. They lure people in with their coupons that require shoppers to use their Kohl's card. Their retail prices are so high most of their shoppers get the card to use the coupon to get a decent deal. Then with the 3 times a year someone uses the card, the statement gets buried and they forget to pay the bill. Boom, $40 late fee plus 25.99% interest on a $50 purchase. Ask me how I know. Then they report a late payment to the credit bureaus. The mortgage underwriters see that a year later and request a written explanation. Against, ask me know I know. My wife and I both cancelled our cards. I'd rather pay retail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 hours ago, DriftBusta said: Wrong. you get there by inventing a better mouse trap and doing so within the confines of the law and tax policy. Policy that supposed to be designed to incentivize innovation. I’m not against raising taxes on billionaires but you can tax them at 99% and it still wouldn’t help your socialist schemes. You also think middle class landlords are leeches too, so your problem isn’t Elon Musk it’s envy and ignorance. I don't want to tax them, that's some liberal bullshit. They just shouldn't exist, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Bontz said: @motonoggin logic: "Rich folks don't help poor folks - Capitalism only allows the rich to get richer and is destined to be doomed!" Meanwhile, he owns/co-owns a business and clearly isn't leading by his logic. If that doesn't scream "My pussy hurts!! I wasn't BORN into money so I'm getting a raw deal!" ... I don't know what does. Idiot (or in @Mainecat speak, "Your an idiot") .... and yes, I know the difference Your vs. You're You seem awfully focused on me personally. Why the obsession with what I do? Small minds discuss people Average minds discuss events Great minds discuss ideas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, DriftBusta said: Wrong. you get there by inventing a better mouse trap and doing so within the confines of the law and tax policy. Policy that supposed to be designed to incentivize innovation. I’m not against raising taxes on billionaires but you can tax them at 99% and it still wouldn’t help your socialist schemes. You also think middle class landlords are leeches too, so your problem isn’t Elon Musk it’s envy and ignorance. There is more than one way to incentivize innovation. Humankind is naturally curious, inventive, and industrious regardless of the economic system. Just because someone comes up with a better way to do something, doesn't mean they should automatically then rule our society. Edited September 1, 2021 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 7 hours ago, amstech said: There is some unfairness here and there, and some people should get paid a little more, however, its a pretty good system. I always ask the complainers 'Whats your highest paying skill'? If your a custodian, its not going to be much. The problem is that kids don't want to work anymore, or know what a days work is. They want handout's because we got a generation of spoiled brats. Boomers have been skewing the economy - jacking prices and profits while suppressing wages - with their monetary policy for 40 years. You don't get to complain about "kids not wanting to work". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Mag6240 said: I went through this BS with my son about 4 years ago. He was following a twitter handle called proudsocialist or something like that, whining about how Amazon and Bezos shouldn't be allowed to get so rich and make money and on and on and on. I told him, that stupid phone you have in your hand, and the people telling you rich people are bad, aren't going to give you one red cent. NOTHING. Get off that damn phone and do what the successful people did if you want it, go make something of yourself, you have the same opportunity they did! Guess what, 4 years later, he's finished his school, paid off ALL of his student load debt, has a really good job making decent coin, and is on a much better trajectory financially than I was at his age. He's gotten smarter from working harder, and has ZERO debt. And guess what, I didn't, and neither did anyone else give him one red cent. He EARNED what he has by working his ass off, and has gotten smarter while doing it. Oh, and he's HAPPY and has quit whining about other people's successes. Bullshit, you helped him and you know it, you just won't admit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 20 hours ago, motonoggin said: They don't work for me. Whom do they work for? Your an owner....pay the fuck up. All hail the recipient. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, SkisNH said: Whom do they work for? Your an owner....pay the fuck up. All hail the recipient. So now I employ everyone? Keep reaching, bub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 21 hours ago, motonoggin said: I know you all like to tell yourselves stories about how hard you work and all that, but I know quite a few guys who can work circles around every single partner and investor in our operation and everyone here. These guys are doing okay, but are by no means wealthy. Some are comfortable enough, and some aren't. But you cling to that delusion as long as you can, I'm sure it makes you feel good. This statement infers they work for you your partners or investors..... You should really pay them a fair Wage....I mean really you are in a govt subsidized business and all. You should spread that wealth around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, SkisNH said: This statement infers they work for you your partners or investors..... You should really pay them a fair Wage....I mean really you are in a govt subsidized business and all. You should spread that wealth around. No it doesn't imply that, but I can see why you want to cling to this delusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 "If communism is so good, why doesn't a capitalist enterprise bring about communism all by themselves???" "If you think a better system is possible, why don't you live like it already exists? Sure, I tacitly know it's not that simple and it won't work, which is precisely why I'm suggesting it, but at least I can avoid any critical thought if I stick to this line!!!1!1!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 You're such a tool...you believe that you are such a intellectual talking about the social construct. The truth is what you want is a fairy tale. There is a reason why communist Russia and communist China essentially became dictatorships...that will always be the end result of you nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, SkisNH said: You're such a tool...you believe that you are such a intellectual talking about the social construct. The truth is what you want is a fairy tale. There is a reason why communist Russia and communist China essentially became dictatorships...that will always be the end result of you nonsense. well neither were communist so when he says that he is correct but it goes completely against nature and is a complete pipe dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, Angry ginger said: well neither were communist so when he says that he is correct but it goes completely against nature and is a complete pipe dream. Yet they call themselves communist...(I do understand Marx's definition) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, SkisNH said: You're such a tool...you believe that you are such a intellectual talking about the social construct. The truth is what you want is a fairy tale. There is a reason why communist Russia and communist China essentially became dictatorships...that will always be the end result of you nonsense. China is state capitalist, so was the USSR. Just because their government claims to aspire to communism, doesn't mean they've achieved communism. Communism is moneyless, stateless, and classless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: well neither were communist so when he says that he is correct but it goes completely against nature and is a complete pipe dream. Competition is the law of the jungle, cooperation is the law of civilization. Gtfoh with this "capitalism is nature" bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, motonoggin said: Communism is moneyless, stateless, and classless. And unattainable.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, SkisNH said: Yet they call themselves communist...(I do understand Marx's definition) And NK calls themselves a democratic republic. Are you really this daft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, SkisNH said: And unattainable.... Lmao, capitalism will ensure that communism will prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, motonoggin said: And NK calls themselves a democratic republic. Are you really this daft? They guy that is calling for unicorns and rainbows calling others daft.....that's classic. Good on you....chase that rainbow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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