PCR test reliability complete falls apart in court

[Rod]

The lab expert here testified in court (as a witness for the government) that in his recent study, 44% of PCR test with a cycle threshold of 18 would produce a viable lab culture. Meaning that 56% of them were not  an infected\infectious person 

positive tests with a CT of 25 or greater would not produce a lab culture meaning it’s not a viable virus or an infectious person 

So the common CT of 40 to even 45 is a completely meaningless test to determine if someone is infected or infectious.  
 

the same witness\lab expert went on to testify that the only real way to determine if someone is infectious is if they can produce a viable lab culture from the virus off the swab or it’s almost certainly a dead virus\non infectious person 

They also said that the dead virus can persist in a persons nose for up to 100 days and result in a positive PCR test at these current cycle thresholds 

Edited May 13, 2021 by ACE

[SayatodaU.P.eh?]

5 hours ago, ACE said:

The lab expert here testified in court (as a witness for the government) that in his recent study, 44% of PCR test with a cycle threshold of 18 would produce a viable lab culture. Meaning that 56% of them were not  an infected\infectious person 

positive tests with a CT of 25 or greater would not produce a lab culture meaning it’s not a viable virus or an infectious person 

So the common CT of 40 to even 45 is a completely meaningless test to determine if someone is infected or infectious.  
 

the same witness\lab expert went on to testify that the only real way to determine if someone is infectious is if they can produce a viable lab culture from the virus off the swab or it’s almost certainly a dead virus\non infectious person 

They also said that the dead virus can persist in a persons nose for up to 100 days and result in a positive PCR test at these current cycle thresholds 

My sister in law (RN) says that this is why people are being told to wait until the symptoms are gone for X number of days (another huge covid variable) and then return to normal life. 
 

Niece came home with it. Mildish symptoms. My sister in law (same one) and brother didn’t quarantine themselves from her. Neither have been vaccinated and neither of them got sick. To top it off, both of them are overweight/obese. Sister in law was told to take 4 days off from work, if she had no symptoms after that to come back to work and test. She returned to work after the fourth day and a negative test. My brother never even bothered with getting tested as he had zero symptoms. 

[Rod]

1 hour ago, SayatodaU.P.eh? said:

My sister in law (RN) says that this is why people are being told to wait until the symptoms are gone for X number of days (another huge covid variable) and then return to normal life. 
 

Niece came home with it. Mildish symptoms. My sister in law (same one) and brother didn’t quarantine themselves from her. Neither have been vaccinated and neither of them got sick. To top it off, both of them are overweight/obese. Sister in law was told to take 4 days off from work, if she had no symptoms after that to come back to work and test. She returned to work after the fourth day and a negative test. My brother never even bothered with getting tested as he had zero symptoms. 

Also leads to a huge over calculation of deaths 

[jdsky]

We need more testing!  Testing is key!!!!! 

What a fucking joke.

[Jerry 976]

Follow the Science......... 

[Zambroski]

1 hour ago, jdsky said:

We need more testing!  Testing is key!!!!! 

What a fucking joke.

So many of us saw this shit for what it was....so, so many.  

1 hour ago, Jerry 976 said:

Follow the Science......... 

Is it still "settled"?  Fauci isn't even sure anymore.

[Rod]

The use of high cycle PCR testing turned the narrative that covid is really bad into a monstrous self fulfilling prophecy 

How does one accurately judge if we’re even in a pandemic when most cases aren’t even cases?

if we went back to only testing people who required medical attention cases would drop by as much as 98%

[Jerry 976]

6 minutes ago, ACE said:

The use of high cycle PCR testing turned the narrative that covid is really bad into a monstrous self fulfilling prophecy 

How does one accurately judge if we’re even in a pandemic when most cases aren’t even cases?

if we went back to only testing people who required medical attention cases would drop by as much as 98%

How many people have been tested multiple times, tested positive and were never sick, but their test results counted as new positive cases. 

[Rod]

Just now, Jerry 976 said:

How many people have been tested multiple times, tested positive and were never sick, but their test results counted as new positive cases. 

According to the study, and testimony, most of the time. 

[ArcticCrusher]

12 minutes ago, ACE said:

The use of high cycle PCR testing turned the narrative that covid is really bad into a monstrous self fulfilling prophecy 

How does one accurately judge if we’re even in a pandemic when most cases aren’t even cases?

if we went back to only testing people who required medical attention cases would drop by as much as 98%

They had to wait for herd stupidity to take hold fist.

 

[Zambroski]

1 hour ago, Jerry 976 said:

How many people have been tested multiple times, tested positive and were never sick, but their test results counted as new positive cases. 

Man, i've told this story several times but even just signing up to be tested could mean you were getting a positive result...even if you never followed through with the test!  Holy shit!

[irv]

1 minute ago, Zambroski said:

Man, i've told this story several times but even just signing up to be tested could mean you were getting a positive result...even if you never followed through with the test!  Holy shit!

 

[Zambroski]

59 minutes ago, irv said:

 

Yep.  My daughters friend took a phone call or some shit and walked out and never returned.  Letter in the mail the next week saying she tested positive.  I mean...wtf? This spread like wildfire with the kids.  Only eggplants are sticking to the scare narrative numbers at this point.

[Rod]

17 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

They had to wait for herd stupidity to take hold fist.

 

Imo the entire thing is a government over reaction to media induced mass hysteria. Occam’s razor. 

and liberals are desperate to cling to any narrative that makes them feel like they’re a good person 

[Zambroski]

1 hour ago, ACE said:

Imo the entire thing is a government over reaction to media induced mass hysteria. Occam’s razor. 

and liberals are desperate to cling to any narrative that makes them feel like they’re a good person 

[Rod]

Testimony also said that to truly understand the death rate and dangerousness of the virus, one would have to do a case by case study on each death. At what cycle did they test positive, how old were they, what were the underlying health issues.

it’s certain to say now that deaths have been significantly over stated, according to science 

[Zambroski]

1 hour ago, ACE said:

Testimony also said that to truly understand the death rate and dangerousness of the virus, one would have to do a case by case study on each death. At what cycle did they test positive, how old were they, what were the underlying health issues.

it’s certain to say now that deaths have been significantly over stated, according to science 

Not only that but what has been done in the healthcare facilities to try to hide these numbers, including a myriad of non-disclosure agreements employees have been forced to sign is astounding.

[Rod]

12 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

Not only that but what has been done in the healthcare facilities to try to hide these numbers, including a myriad of non-disclosure agreements employees have been forced to sign is astounding.

That’s easily explained as hospitals capitalizing on government funding 

[Zambroski]

1 hour ago, ACE said:

That’s easily explained as hospitals capitalizing on government funding 

I've never thought fraud, lies and deceit need explanation.  They simply are what they are.

[Rod]

Who woulda thought that the left would be big wrong again on a large issue 

[Highmark]

 Normal symptomatic influenza cases is 25,000,000-45,000,000.

Good God American's are idiots. 

2020-2021

Week 10	Data Cumulative since September 27, 2020 (Week 40)
No. of specimens tested	23,618	753,077
No. of positive specimens (%)	27 (0.1%)	1,617 (0.2%)
Positive specimens by type
Influenza A	13 (48.1%)	566 (35.0%)
Influenza B	14 (51.9%)	1,051 (65.0%)

 

 

 

Edited May 13, 2021 by Highmark

[Mainecat]

This crap is why I consider staying away from this place.

 

[Rod]

5 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

This crap is why I consider staying away from this place.

 

Because you have the IQ of a dead duck 

[Fireball 440]

6 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

This crap is why I consider staying away from this place.

 

We welcome weekly self bannings.

[SayatodaU.P.eh?]

8 hours ago, jdsky said:

We need more testing!  Testing is key!!!!! 

What a fucking joke.

Every time the case numbers have dropped in Michigan, that’s exactly when Whitmer’s quack doctor gets on tv and starts begging people to go start getting tested even if you don’t have symptoms. And what do idiots do? Go get tested and back up the numbers go. As soon as the numbers are high, they tell people to only get tested if you have symptoms. The amount of people that can’t see this shit for what it is by this point is still just a fucking joke.