Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 8, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jimmy Snacks said: No one is making that “full on claim”...so you believe the world is partially trying to get Trump? 🤣🤣 Nope...their are large portions that are trying to get at what he stands for. America first. Democracy. Freedom to live the economic life you choose and work for just to name a few. Not all are for destroying that however they fear they will lose their power so they are siding with the far left extreme. This describes most democrats in congress except for the communist like AOC and her clan. Edited July 8, 2020 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: The welfare state is only part of socialism. Its not the whole thing. The much more dangerous part is the control. As mentioned before I don't agree with what the admin has done but again this is something we've never seen before. Other recessions were natural.....this is one govt shutting down business' caused. Privatizing gains and socializing losses is the biggest thing. No we haven't but again we have had recessions, worldwide ones. This economy was shut down while still working and the banking industry still intact, and just the stimulus was more than triple than the last recession and that doesn't even take in account the FED's QE that was 3 trillion spent in 7 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted July 8, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Nope...their are large portions that are trying to get at what he stands for. America first. Democracy. Freedom to live the economic life you choose and work for just to name a few. Oh..OK.... 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Highmark said: No one is making that full on claim. However, its simply useful to use to try and destroy him and movement he has awoken. As is the fake, salacious labeling of him as a racist, as was the whole Russia collusion and obstruction of justice perpetrated by very high levels of our own govt. Trump was never a racist before he ran as a Republican and well the whole Russia collusion thing.....if you bought into that you are no different than them. Out of all the cases of police brutality and yes even murder why now has it caused what it has? Couldn't possibly be because its being pushed by higher agenda of communism or worse? After all we know BLM is admitting they are led by trained Marxists and the goal is to destroy the US as we know it not just end police criminality. I'm not going to say he is racist, but the white nationalists all think he stands with them, the things he says and doesn't say could lead one to believe he is though. As far as Russia, his constant praising of Putin, trying to get them back into the G-7, the multiple changed stories about meetings ect. would sure make him suspect if you applied the same measurement as you would to Hillary. The thing is watching someone getting killed for more than 8 minutes has a completely different effect on humans than the quick shot in the back and dead, done and over with in seconds. As hunter myself nothing sickened me more than to see an animal wounded and suffering from a bad shot, I think you hunt also and would 100% agree. The reaction to Floyds killing was worldwide, due to a slow cruel death, nothing more nothing less, sometimes things are what they are and it has nothing to do with anything other than what people witnessed. As far as the rest I really didn't know they were trained by Marxists, I do know the small groups that protested here 99% white weren't it was a grassroots protest that rose from the death of Floyd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 8, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, 1jkw said: I'm not going to say he is racist, but the white nationalists all think he stands with them, the things he says and doesn't say could lead one to believe he is though. As far as Russia, his constant praising of Putin, trying to get them back into the G-7, the multiple changed stories about meetings ect. would sure make him suspect if you applied the same measurement as you would to Hillary. The thing is watching someone getting killed for more than 8 minutes has a completely different effect on humans than the quick shot in the back and dead, done and over with in seconds. As hunter myself nothing sickened me more than to see an animal wounded and suffering from a bad shot, I think you hunt also and would 100% agree. The reaction to Floyds killing was worldwide, due to a slow cruel death, nothing more nothing less, sometimes things are what they are and it has nothing to do with anything other than what people witnessed. As far as the rest I really didn't know they were trained by Marxists, I do know the small groups that protested here 99% white weren't it was a grassroots protest that rose from the death of Floyd. I could do without some of the things he's done with Putin but if you look at action he has taken FAR FAR more aggressive stance towards them than anyone since Reagan. Ukraine begged for lethal weapons and Obama gave them bandages. Trump gave them anti-tank weapons. Also expelled a large number of diplomats just to name a few. The actions of Comey and others in the DOJ are clear. Its nothing less than a coup. There is no other way to explain "insurance policy" and we will "never let him become president" by people high up and communicating directly with the Obama admin. Trump was an outsider period. They will do anything to take him out. I mean come on.....hookers pissing on a bed that Obama slept in. There were other police deaths similar to Floyd (Eric Garner) including some white people. Not suffocating but did you ever see the video of the kid in the hall begging for his life that they killed because he tried to pull his pants up? That's the worst one I've ever seen. No charges were filed and the cops kept their jobs. Many of the protests grew violent because of outside influence. There is video proof including pallets of bricks strategically places. I like have discussions/debates with you. You're knowledgeable and keep it on subject. Edited July 8, 2020 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SSFB Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Snake said: Fucking no minds like these idiots will be fighting over who gets vaccinated first... Said the former government property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted July 8, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, SSFB said: Said the former government property. Haha no shit...how many vaccinations you get there MoeMoe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favoritos Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Snake said: What would you have us do? No dems wanted to close the border. No dems wanted quarantine. Dems were encouraging people to go out. Dems said thousands in the street was perfectly ok. And now you want us to feel for your friend? Tell you what... I do. But try putting the fucking blame where it ought to go. To the bold. We need to quit playing politics. It seems unbelievable how many politicians have all of a sudden turned into medical experts. This is science and nature, not politics. There is a methodology to testing and finding real answers. We are better than the old days at this process, but it still takes time. We will see a variety of solutions that actually work. The rollout will be impressive. All this political mumbo jumbo in between is basically a waste of time. It also inhibits our ability to work together on real solutions. I hate the idea of lockdowns, quarantines, face masks, and all the basic inconveniences. I also welcome the extra time. Time to go through the methodology. Time to find real solutions. The saddest part of playing politics is how it affects the human psyche. People are getting tired and frustrated. The bickering and games don't help. It creates more confusion and prolonged pain. We would certainly be better off, if we were together on a proper solution. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted July 8, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, favoritos said: To the bold. We need to quit playing politics. It seems unbelievable how many politicians have all of a sudden turned into medical experts. This is science and nature, not politics. There is a methodology to testing and finding real answers. We are better than the old days at this process, but it still takes time. We will see a variety of solutions that actually work. The rollout will be impressive. All this political mumbo jumbo in between is basically a waste of time. It also inhibits our ability to work together on real solutions. I hate the idea of lockdowns, quarantines, face masks, and all the basic inconveniences. I also welcome the extra time. Time to go through the methodology. Time to find real solutions. The saddest part of playing politics is how it affects the human psyche. People are getting tired and frustrated. The bickering and games don't help. It creates more confusion and prolonged pain. We would certainly be better off, if we were together on a proper solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 58 minutes ago, Highmark said: I could do without some of the things he's done with Putin but if you look at action he has taken FAR FAR more aggressive stance towards them than anyone since Reagan. Ukraine begged for lethal weapons and Obama gave them bandages. Trump gave them anti-tank weapons. Also expelled a large number of diplomats just to name a few. The actions of Comey and others in the DOJ are clear. Its nothing less than a coup. There is no other way to explain "insurance policy" and we will "never let him become president" by people high up and communicating directly with the Obama admin. Trump was an outsider period. They will do anything to take him out. I mean come on.....hookers pissing on a bed that Obama slept in. There were other police deaths similar to Floyd (Eric Garner) including some white people. Not suffocating but did you ever see the video of the kid in the hall begging for his life that they killed because he tried to pull his pants up? That's the worst one I've ever seen. No charges were filed and the cops kept their jobs. Many of the protests grew violent because of outside influence. There is video proof including pallets of bricks strategically places. I like have discussions/debates with you. You're knowledgeable and keep it on subject. I have to say given Trump's record on truthfulness and his attitude toward Russia, if I were in the position to protect the US interest I would look long and hard too. Trump has a Republican base that will go along with anything he wants to do, both in the government and in the public. Complete 180's from the same exact issues with the previous admin. was criticized for, again a cult like following. Why didn't the Rep. house and senate send an arms proposal? NK, Syria, Iran, Cuba ,golfing, security costs, debt, deficit, getting out of the ME, dealing with the Taliban in AFG, to name some things that are 180 now. As far as other deaths they were straws added to the camels back, yes I saw it he was shot, again 8 minutes of slow death is what the world and I saw, a guy cuffed and laying on the ground, not fighting or struggling, just pleading for his life, and even after the EMS said he had no pulse that cocksucker continued to kneel on his neck, that was the straw that broke the back. Yes there were and are outside influences involved, from many places and all sides of the fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, 1jkw said: I have to say given Trump's record on truthfulness and his attitude toward Russia, if I were in the position to protect the US interest I would look long and hard too. Trump has a Republican base that will go along with anything he wants to do, both in the government and in the public. Complete 180's from the same exact issues with the previous admin. was criticized for, again a cult like following. Why didn't the Rep. house and senate send an arms proposal? NK, Syria, Iran, Cuba ,golfing, security costs, debt, deficit, getting out of the ME, dealing with the Taliban in AFG, to name some things that are 180 now. As far as other deaths they were straws added to the camels back, yes I saw it he was shot, again 8 minutes of slow death is what the world and I saw, a guy cuffed and laying on the ground, not fighting or struggling, just pleading for his life, and even after the EMS said he had no pulse that cocksucker continued to kneel on his neck, that was the straw that broke the back. Yes there were and are outside influences involved, from many places and all sides of the fence. When you start talking about defunding police and fundamentally changing the country... you need to excuse those of us who think it ain't bad now. Warts and all. Got an issue with cops... take it up with them. That's what I do. But I guess it's easier to kidnap 6 city blocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 hours ago, 1jkw said: Yeah tell that to my dead friends family, I'm sure they would love to hear how harmless it is. You Trump cult guys are sure amazing, countries all over the world shut down and it's all to get Trump. so whst is the accrual death rate for covid today ? has it passed 1% of infected yet ? people die from illness every day sucks but part of life . no am out of histsria TV is going to change this fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 8, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, 1jkw said: I have to say given Trump's record on truthfulness and his attitude toward Russia, if I were in the position to protect the US interest I would look long and hard too. Trump has a Republican base that will go along with anything he wants to do, both in the government and in the public. Complete 180's from the same exact issues with the previous admin. was criticized for, again a cult like following. Why didn't the Rep. house and senate send an arms proposal? NK, Syria, Iran, Cuba ,golfing, security costs, debt, deficit, getting out of the ME, dealing with the Taliban in AFG, to name some things that are 180 now. As far as other deaths they were straws added to the camels back, yes I saw it he was shot, again 8 minutes of slow death is what the world and I saw, a guy cuffed and laying on the ground, not fighting or struggling, just pleading for his life, and even after the EMS said he had no pulse that cocksucker continued to kneel on his neck, that was the straw that broke the back. Yes there were and are outside influences involved, from many places and all sides of the fence. Agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev144 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 47 minutes ago, favoritos said: To the bold. We need to quit playing politics. It seems unbelievable how many politicians have all of a sudden turned into medical experts. This is science and nature, not politics. There is a methodology to testing and finding real answers. We are better than the old days at this process, but it still takes time. We will see a variety of solutions that actually work. The rollout will be impressive. All this political mumbo jumbo in between is basically a waste of time. It also inhibits our ability to work together on real solutions. I hate the idea of lockdowns, quarantines, face masks, and all the basic inconveniences. I also welcome the extra time. Time to go through the methodology. Time to find real solutions. The saddest part of playing politics is how it affects the human psyche. People are getting tired and frustrated. The bickering and games don't help. It creates more confusion and prolonged pain. We would certainly be better off, if we were together on a proper solution. Good post. Most of the idiots who expected a new strain to be fully understood day 1 skipped over this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, Snake said: When you start talking about defunding police and fundamentally changing the country... you need to excuse those of us who think it ain't bad now. Warts and all. Got an issue with cops... take it up with them. That's what I do. But I guess it's easier to kidnap 6 city blocks. I think the term "defund" shouldn't have been used, I think divert funding was what was originally intended, divert some of the funds to social services to deal with problems the cops don't want to deal with. I have taken up my issues with cops on more than one occasion, not sure if I were not white if I would have gotten away with what I did. I'm not sure it was easier, but it is what they did, I don't think it helped their cause, but I'm not there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, Highmark said: Agree to disagree. Sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, 1jkw said: I think the term "defund" shouldn't have been used, I think divert funding was what was originally intended, divert some of the funds to social services to deal with problems the cops don't want to deal with. I have taken up my issues with cops on more than one occasion, not sure if I were not white if I would have gotten away with what I did. I'm not sure it was easier, but it is what they did, I don't think it helped their cause, but I'm not there. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: so whst is the accrual death rate for covid today ? has it passed 1% of infected yet ? people die from illness every day sucks but part of life . no am out of histsria TV is going to change this fact 11 out 12 on vents died in our hospital, and only 1 of those was from our county. Not sure the % of deaths and it seems far from over. I'm not overly concerned about myself where I live, if I were in a different state or part of the state I'd be more concerned. True enough. You do wonder though when China shuts down with as little care as they have for their people if it isn't pretty bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Lol. That's what was done in NJ and other places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 33 minutes ago, 1jkw said: Trump has a Republican base that will go along with anything he wants to do, both in the government and in the public. Complete 180's from the same exact issues with the previous admin. was criticized for, again a cult like following. Why didn't the Rep. house and senate send an arms proposal? NK, Syria, Iran, Cuba ,golfing, security costs, debt, deficit, getting out of the ME, dealing with the Taliban in AFG, to name some things that are 180 now. You always seem to go back to these same talking points. You realize Trump is not your typical republican, right? He has a lot of his own ideas about things, that may or may not jive 100% with the republican agenda. Some of his supporters are not republicans, and some republicans don’t support him. You seem to want lock everyone into certain ideals, where the spectrum is huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, 1jkw said: That's what was done in NJ and other places. Who do you side with here? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/felt-like-i-got-shot-lieutenant-hit-with-brick-speaks-out-as-nypd-braces-for-more-violence/2443920/%3famp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Edmo said: You always seem to go back to these same talking points. You realize Trump is not your typical republican, right? He has a lot of his own ideas about things, that may or may not jive 100% with the republican agenda. Some of his supporters are not republicans, and some republicans don’t support him. You seem to want lock everyone into certain ideals, where the spectrum is huge. I go back to the same FACTS, that the same republicans don't fight him at all when they cried like bitches over the exact same things before, and that is 100% true of many in here too. Trump was bragging he would give more relief money than the dems. , certainly not you typical bootstraps republican. So you are saying that the vast majority of republicans supported the list of things I posted? The same things that are being done on a much larger scale now, and even before covid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Who do you side with here? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/felt-like-i-got-shot-lieutenant-hit-with-brick-speaks-out-as-nypd-braces-for-more-violence/2443920/%3famp I don't think violence used against anyone police or peaceful protestors is the right thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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