irv Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Today's the day. The end of an era. https://www.thestar.com/business/2019/12/17/gm-workers-angry-some-in-tears-as-the-final-vehicles-roll-off-the-line-in-oshawa.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Operating in Ontario is just too expensive 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Would definitely suck. Feel bad for those who will be affected by it. Hopefully I get to make it to retirement without having to move to a different plant. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, SVT MXZ XRS said: Would definitely suck. Feel bad for those who will be affected by it. Hopefully I get to make it to retirement without having to move to a different plant. How long till you retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 That's like more than 100 years for GM in Oshawa fucking insane shit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: How long till you retire. 12 years at the earliest, 16 at most. All depends on what happens. I hired in when I was older (almost 26) and wasn't making good money until I was in my 30s. Wife and I did a lot of talking last month when I was off about her current situation with her family business. A lot will depend on what she does in 2 years when her parents retire. Edited December 18, 2019 by SVT MXZ XRS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostynuts Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Tickle Shits said: Operating in Ontario is just too expensive Yup, the unions just kept driving wages higher and higher, for jobs trained monkeys could do. At some point, the scales get tipped against the workers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, Frostynuts said: Yup, the unions just kept driving wages higher and higher, for jobs trained monkeys could do. At some point, the scales get tipped against the workers. Didn’t energy costs skyrocket too? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostynuts Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, Tickle Shits said: Didn’t energy costs skyrocket too? Yup, honestly to-days unions have caused more problems than good. However, they do protect the lazy workers, that figure it is their right to keep getting paid more and more, to do less and less. In the good old days, who kept jobs depended solely on merit. The unions fukked that up, big time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, SVT MXZ XRS said: 12 years at the earliest, 16 at most. All depends on what happens. I hired in when I was older (almost 26) and wasn't making good money until I was in my 30s. Wife and I did a lot of talking last month when I was off about her current situation with her family business. A lot will depend on what she does in 2 years when her parents retire. Got ya. You are fairly young now I guess. I thought you were in your early 40’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 These guys started GM with Durant and financed a take over of Chevrolet. Sad sad day for Canada actually https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaughlin_Motor_Car_Company 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Got ya. You are fairly young now I guess. I thought you were in your early 40’s. 46 So I'll either be 58 or 62 when I retire. Which is still young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, SVT MXZ XRS said: 46 So I'll either be 58 or 62 when I retire. Which is still young. Yes. That is still fairly young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, AKIQPilot said: Yes. That is still fairly young. We will both be younger than our parents and our parents parents when we retire. I wish I was like some guys that I work with who are younger than me who hired in at 17 or 18 right out of high school. But unfortunately, I wasn't. My son is interviewing with a HVAC company today about an apprenticeship. I hope hegets it. He had an interview with a shop the other day for CNC programming, but I'd rather see him get into heating and cooling. He'd be much better off in that. I told him in 4-5 years at 23-24 he could be well on his way to making a better life for himself than I had if he gets into HVAC. I'll find out soon. 🤞🏼 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snopro31 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Thank you Wynne and Trudeau. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, Frostynuts said: Yup, the unions just kept driving wages higher and higher, for jobs trained monkeys could do. At some point, the scales get tipped against the workers. 17 minutes ago, Frostynuts said: Yup, honestly to-days unions have caused more problems than good. However, they do protect the lazy workers, that figure it is their right to keep getting paid more and more, to do less and less. In the good old days, who kept jobs depended solely on merit. The unions fukked that up, big time. You're ignorance and stupidity is overwhelming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 18, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, SVT MXZ XRS said: We will both be younger than our parents and our parents parents when we retire. I wish I was like some guys that I work with who are younger than me who hired in at 17 or 18 right out of high school. But unfortunately, I wasn't. My son is interviewing with a HVAC company today about an apprenticeship. I hope hegets it. He had an interview with a shop the other day for CNC programming, but I'd rather see him get into heating and cooling. He'd be much better off in that. I told him in 4-5 years at 23-24 he could be well on his way to making a better life for himself than I had if he gets into HVAC. I'll find out soon. 🤞🏼 Careful with the hvac. He may end up on here posting pics of tacos and cooling towers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 MI Hydro, 10.93c/Kwh, ON Hydro 20.8c/Kwh on Peak plus a massive delivery charge. A friend has a forge plant in ON and MI and ON is nearly 3x times the hydro charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Tinker said: MI Hydro, 10.93c/Kwh, ON Hydro 20.8c/Kwh on Peak plus a massive delivery charge. A friend has a forge plant in ON and MI and ON is nearly 3x times the hydro charge Over 30 million dollars a year for GM. Add in the carbon tax, red tape, and a whole host of others costs, and people wonder why they're leaving? If I didn't know any better, I'd say the liberals are purposely trying to push businesses out of Ontario and the rest of Canada. Edited December 18, 2019 by irv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Careful with the hvac. He may end up on here posting pics of tacos and cooling towers I'm just trying to keep him away from the auto industry. Use to be that's what you wanted to get into around here, if 4 year college wasn't your thing. Now it's not even anything close to what it use to be. Thanks to outsourcing everywhere Edited December 18, 2019 by SVT MXZ XRS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, irv said: Over 30 million dollars a year for GM. Add in the carbon tax, red tape, and a whole host of others costs, and people wonder why their leaving? If I didn't know any better, I'd say the liberals are purposely trying to push businesses out of Ontario and the rest of Canada. You know they are Irv but they are too stupid to realize there policys are responsible 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usedtoskidoo Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 they should wipe their tears with their liberal voting cards...…………………..or take a shit on Jerry Dias's lawn...………..both actually 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 18, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, SVT MXZ XRS said: I'm just trying to keep him away from the auto industry. Use to be that's what you wanted to get into around here, if 4 year college wasn't your thing. Now it's not even anything close to what it use to b Thanks to outsourcing Hate to say it but pension and health care have been crippling gm for yrs. 15 yrs ago they had 3.7 retired for every 2 workers Those numbers are unsustainable 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 18, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Momorider said: You know they are Irv but they are too stupid to realize there policys are responsible But you guys are saving the world. Or at least giving us 15 more yrs instead of 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Hate to say it but pension and health care have been crippling gm for yrs. 15 yrs ago they had 3.7 retired for every 2 workers Those numbers are unsustainable well if companies were actually forced to fund their pension fully these issues would not matter but they kicked the can down the road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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