Pete Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Cool... London (CNN Business)In 2017, more than 1 million electric vehicles were sold for the first time. That number doubled to 2 million in 2018 and by 2040 electric cars could make up more than half of all new sales. Electric vehicles will play a pivotal role in meeting global targets to reduce carbon emissions, but new research warns the world is unprepared to deal with the lithium-ion batteries that power these cars once they reach the end of their useful life span. <img alt="Europe&amp;#39;s switch to electric cars is accelerating. Honda is advancing its plans by 3 years" class="media__image" src="//cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190913124551-07-frankfurt-motor-show-2019---honda-e-large-169.jpg"> Europe's switch to electric cars is accelerating. Honda is advancing its plans by 3 years Based on the number of electric cars sold in 2017, researchers in the United Kingdom calculated that 250,000 metric tons, or half a million cubic meters, of unprocessed battery pack waste will result when these vehicles reach the end of their lives in about 15 to 20 years — enough to fill 67 Olympic swimming pools. "Landfill is clearly not an option for this amount of waste," said University of Leicester professor Andrew Abbott, co-author of the review that was published in the scientific journal Nature on Wednesday. "Finding ways to recycle EV (electric vehicle) batteries will not only avoid a huge burden on landfill, it will also help us secure the supply of critical materials, such as cobalt and lithium, that surely hold the key to a sustainable automotive industry," he said in a press statement. Read More Lithium-ion batteries cannot be treated like normal waste; they are flammable and could release toxic chemicals into the environment. <img alt="Battery packs are assembled inside Audi&amp;#39;s e-tron factory in Brussels." class="media__image" src="//cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190808182144-01-future-of-electric-cars-large-169.jpg"> Battery packs are assembled inside Audi's e-tron factory in Brussels. When batteries retire The report says that more needs to be done to identify uses for vehicle batteries once they reach retirement age. Even if they can't power a passenger car, the batteries may be able to do less demanding tasks such as store electricity from wind turbines and solar farms. The report also says better ways to gauge the health of a battery would make it easier to assess whether it can be reused or repaired. And if the batteries can no longer be used or, as forecast, the supply of batteries exceeds second-hand demand, rapid and more efficient recycling methods need to be developed that can extract the valuable raw materials such as lithium and cobalt, which can be environmentally damaging to mine. "We believe that it is possible to move to more advanced recycling technologies that can not only recover a larger proportion of the materials in the battery but also will be better able to handle the volume of EV waste batteries we anticipate coming through the system," Gavin Harper, Faraday Research Fellow at the University of Birmingham, who was the lead author on the paper, told CNN. Currently in the United Kingdom, there are no dedicated operating facilities for processing electric vehicle waste batteries. What batteries do get processed are exported and recycled using a pyrometallurgical method, which uses high temperatures to smelt the batteries and extract some reusable components. However, it's wasteful and inefficient, which means some materials can't be recovered, he said. There's also a general lack of technical know-how, with a 2015 survey from the UK Institute of the Motor Industry finding there were only 1,000 trained technicians in the country capable of servicing electric vehicles, with another 1,000 in training — less than 2% of the country's 170,000 motor technicians. The batteries produced by different manufacturers vary widely and the paper calls for more standardization to allow easier recycling. Current designs also don't lend themselves to easy deconstruction by hand or machine. "The recycling challenge is not straightforward: There is enormous variety in the chemistries, shapes and designs of lithium ion batteries used in EVs," said Harper. "If you look at lead acid batteries, we have really high recovery rates of around 95 % because the technology is there to recycle them and it makes economic sense ... the battery has a value." "We need to get to a similar place with EV batteries where they are seen as an opportunity and not a burden," he added. https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/06/business/electric-vehicles-battery-waste-scn/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 That’s about as intelligent as anything you post. They’ll be repurposed for the electrical grid first. Back up power for solar systems, and for storing power to be used at peak times. Then they will be recycled. How can you be dumb enough to reas articles about batteries using rare materials then think they won’t be recycled. Now you can sleep at night knowing the evil green industry isn’t going to bury you in batteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Stephen Hawking Posted November 8, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted November 8, 2019 There is a herd of unicorns that eat the waste, no need to worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: That’s about as intelligent as anything you post. They’ll be repurposed for the electrical grid first. Back up power for solar systems, and for storing power to be used at peak times. Then they will be recycled. How can you be dumb enough to reas articles about batteries using rare materials then think they won’t be recycled. Now you can sleep at night knowing the evil green industry isn’t going to bury you in batteries. Recycled? You mean like they currently do with plastics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 The rapid rise of air travel could lead to a mountain of propeller waste... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Current battery tech is a dead end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Burning of fossil fuels leads to a mountain of pollution and poison gas being emitted into the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 Just now, Anler said: Burning of fossil fuels leads to a mountain of pollution and poison gas being emitted into the air. take it up with india and china 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 8, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Stephen Hawking said: There is a herd of unicorns that eat the waste, no need to worry. Ok.....that's funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 8, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 8, 2019 Area's have blackouts now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, 168hp CAT 800 said: Current battery tech is a dead end I know. You need them to run 5,000 km before they are viable. Tell us more about how triples are the height of sledding tech while you are at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: Recycled? You mean like they currently do with plastics? Dummies like you keep saying that battery raw materials are rare and expensive. . Plastics are cheap. Figure it out dumb dumb. Plus plastic recycling is making huge strides forward. The next 5 years will be amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Just now, revkevsdi said: Dummies like you keep saying that battery raw materials are rare and expensive. . Plastics are cheap. Figure it out dumb dumb. Plus plastic recycling is making huge strides forward. The next 5 years will be amazing. Batteries are plastic? Located on the same shelf as those "saw bits" I'll bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: Batteries are plastic? Located on the same shelf as those "saw bits" I'll bet. Poor stupid Zambo the clown. Can't even follow a simple thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 What about all of the junk yards across America with old cars leaking oil, coolant and cfc's? Fucking idiots... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 8, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted November 8, 2019 Any used up batteries I just typically through in the garbage. Car batteries they give you like 5 or 10 bucks at an auto part store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmeeAgain Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, revkevsdi said: Dummies like you keep saying that battery raw materials are rare and expensive. . Plastics are cheap. Figure it out dumb dumb. Plus plastic recycling is making huge strides forward. The next 5 years will be amazing. This is true... If there is value in it, it will be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 The plastic in car batteries today is recycled. Recycling plastics is a lot easier with a single source waste stream. I've been in the plants and have seen the process. This article is trash. They aren't just going to throw a bunch of precious metals in the landfill. Way too much money in materials to not recycle what we can. Refurbished batteries will even be common. They will open up the battery packs and replace the dead cells. Lets just not pretend the electricity used is "zero emissions" compared to gasoline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Any used up batteries I just typically through in the garbage. Car batteries they give you like 5 or 10 bucks at an auto part store. We recycle them... For cash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 37 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: Poor stupid Zambo the clown. Can't even follow a simple thread. Oh, I’m following along just fine. I bet you wish I wouldn’t. Do you ever feel like a pair of neon paisley socks....at a wedding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, revkevsdi said: I know. You need them to run 5,000 km before they are viable. Tell us more about how triples are the height of sledding tech while you are at it. Well there’s not even close to enough battery material in the world to replace fossil fuel powered vehicles so... you’re an idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 9 hours ago, 168hp CAT 800 said: Well there’s not even close to enough battery material in the world to replace fossil fuel powered vehicles so... you’re an idiot Not enough battery material yet your posse of the stupid thinks the batteries will bet thrown into the garbage instead of recycled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Just now, revkevsdi said: Not enough battery material yet your posse of the stupid thinks the batteries will bet thrown into the garbage instead of recycled. R U dum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 minute ago, 168hp CAT 800 said: R U dum? What's you're answer raped asshole? Are the batteries going to get tossed in the garbage or are the materials to rare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: What's you're answer raped asshole? Are the batteries going to get tossed in the garbage or are the materials to rare? U R dum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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