If This Isn’t Impeachable, Nothing Is

[Stephen Hawking]

2 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

So according to the Trumpers here extortion and bribery by a sitting president is OK?

Come on yes or no?

You have a link to that? 

[Momorider]

2 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

You have a link to that? 

 

[01mxz800]

28 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

So according to the Trumpers here extortion and bribery by a sitting president is OK?

Come on yes or no?

What about that plane with pallets of cash going to Iran?🤔.... dumbfuck

[Highmark]

@Mainecat      That prosecutor was investigating Biden's son. 

 

In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived

 

Edited September 21, 2019 by Highmark

[Stephen Hawking]

That's impossible, this is the big one. 

[Snake]

An official who has been briefed on the matter, however, told CNN that the whistleblower “didn’t have direct knowledge of the communications.” The official said that the concerns and subsequent complaint came in part from the whistleblower “learning information that was not obtained during the course of their work.”

[Snake]

• Sworn statements from two Ukrainian officials admitting that their agency tried to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election in favor of Hillary Clinton. The effort included leaking an alleged ledger showing payments to then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.
• Contacts between Democratic figures in Washington and Ukrainian officials that involved passing along dirt on Donald Trump.
• Financial records showing a Ukrainian natural gas company routed more than $3 million to American accounts tied to Hunter Biden, younger son of then-Vice President Joe Biden, who managed U.S.-Ukrainian relations for the Obama administration. Biden’s son served on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company, Burisma Holdings.
• Records that Vice President Biden pressured Ukrainian officials in March 2016 to fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin who oversaw an investigation of Burisma Holdings and who planned to interview Hunter Biden about the financial transfers. In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.
• Shokin told John Solomon in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”
• Correspondence showing members of the State Department and U.S. embassy in Kiev interfered or applied pressure in criminal cases on Ukrainian soil
• Disbursements of as much as $7 billion in Ukrainian funds that prosecutors believe may have been misappropriated or taken out of the country, including to the United States.
• https://lidblog.com/hunter-biden-ukraine/

[Highmark]

 Hey @Mainecat what do you think about Biden's threat to Ukraine?

[Mainecat]

And more “ya buts”

[Snake]

2 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

And more “ya buts”

Ya but... "no first hand knowledge'......

[Stephen Hawking]

7 minutes ago, Snake said:

Ya but... "no first hand knowledge'......

I'm sure he will post a bunch of other links to verify his claims, patience. 

[DriftBusta]

This could very easily turn around and blow up in the Dems faces.  It should. 

[Snake]

 

[Zambroski]

6 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

This could very easily turn around and blow up in the Dems faces.  It should. 

It already has.  They’ve set this in motion with their media whiners for years now.  Even if it is ever found that Trump is guilty of something “impeachable” (this isn't it), it will be heard as but another “Wolf!!!” Followed by whining, crying and TDS victims falling apart.  Americans don’t care.  We are turning our backs on these weak links that are hoping for the demise of our country to be able to say, “Told you so!”   Because losers gonna lose and haters gonna hate.

They've all earned this...and “Thanks Obama!!!”

[Edmo]

36 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

And more “ya buts”

The point is what Biden did is 100x worse and you don’t care. Hmmmm....

[franks pond]

[Mainecat]

Here we have a whistleblower that’s used the proper legal channels to report what he or she thinks is an violation of national security. The case gets reviewed by a Trump appointed Inspector General who determined it was credible and a matter of “urgent concern”. He concluded the complaint “relates to one of the most significant and important of the DNI’s responsibilities to the American people.”

Yeah fake news alright....

 

[DriftBusta]

15 minutes ago, Edmo said:

The point is what Biden did is 100x worse and you don’t care. Hmmmm....

Exactly. 

[Mainecat]

Even Trumps lawyer admitted he conspired. 

[jdels]

Give it till Wednesday?😂

[DriftBusta]

10 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Even Trumps lawyer admitted he conspired. 

You’re unbelievable.  Completely brainwashed.

[revkevsdi]

20 hours ago, Mainecat said:

If This Isn’t Impeachable, Nothing Is

The president reportedly sought the help of a foreign government against Joe Biden.

8:10 AM ET 

 

 

Tom Nichols

Tom Nichols is the author of The Death of Expertise

REUTERS / TOM BRENNER

The president of the United States reportedly sought the help of a foreign government against an American citizen who might challenge him for his office. This is the single most important revelation in a scoop by The Wall Street Journal, and if it is true, then President Donald Trump should be impeached and removed from office immediately.

Until now, there was room for reasonable disagreement over impeachment as both a matter of politics and a matter of tactics. The Mueller report revealed despicably unpatriotic behavior by Trump and his minions, but it did not trigger a political judgment with a majority of Americans that it warranted impeachment. The Democrats, for their part, remained unwilling to risk their new majority in Congress on a move destined to fail in a Republican-controlled Senate.

Now, however, we face an entirely new situation. In a call to the new president of Ukraine, Trump reportedly attempted to pressure the leader of a sovereign state into conducting an investigation—a witch hunt, one might call it—of a U.S. citizen, former Vice President Joe Biden, and his son Hunter Biden.

As the Ukrainian Interior Ministry official Anton Gerashchenko toldthe Daily Beast when asked about the president’s apparent requests, “Clearly, Trump is now looking for kompromat to discredit his opponent Biden, to take revenge for his friend Paul Manafort, who is serving seven years in prison.”

• Clearly.

  If this in itself is not impeachable, then the concept has no meaning. Trump’s grubby commandeering of the presidency’s fearsome and nearly uncheckable powers in foreign policy for his own ends is a gross abuse of power and an affront both to our constitutional order and to the integrity of our elections.

The story may even be worse than we know. If Trump tried to use military aid to Ukraine as leverage, as reporters are now investigating, then he held Ukrainian and American security hostage to his political vendettas. It means nothing to say that no such deal was reached; the important point is that Trump abused his position in the Oval Office.

In this matter, we need not rely on a newspaper account, nor even on the complaint, so far unseen, of a whistle-blower. Instead, we have a sweaty, panicked admission on national television by Trump’s bizarre homunculus, Rudy Giuliani, that he did in fact seek such an investigation on Trump’s behalf. Giuliani later again confirmed Trump’s role, tweeting that a “President telling a Pres-elect of a well known corrupt country he better investigate corruption that affects US is doing his job.”

 

Let us try, as we always find ourselves doing in the age of Trump, to think about how Americans might react if this happened in any other administration. Imagine, for example, if Bill Clinton had called his friend, Russian President Boris Yeltsin, in 1996, and asked him to investigate Bob Dole. Or if George W. Bush had called, say, President Vicente Fox of Mexico in 2004 and asked him—indeed, asked him eight times, according to The Wall Street Journal—to open a case against John Kerry. Clinton, of course, was eventually impeached for far less than that. Is there any doubt that either man would have been put on trial in the Senate, and likely chased from office?

The Republicans, predictably, have decided to choose their party over their country, and the damage control and lying have begun. Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri, for one, has already floated the reliable “deep-state attack” nonsense that will play well on Fox and other conservative outlets. And while Giuliani did Trump no favors with his incoherent ranting on CNN, he did manage to hammer away at the idea that Biden, and not Trump, tried to shake down the Ukrainians while he was vice president.

 

The problem for Giuliani, the Republicans, and the president himself, however, is that Biden and his actions are now irrelevant to the offenses committed by Trump. The accusations against Joe Biden are false, as we know from multiple fact checks and from the Ukrainians themselves (which is why I won’t deign to repeat them here). But even to argue over this fable about Biden is to miss the point, because it changes nothing about Trump’s attempts to enmesh Biden in a foreign investigation for Trump’s own purposes.

There is no spin, no deflection, no alternative theory of the case that can get around the central fact that President Trump reportedly attempted to use his office for his own gain, and that he put the foreign policy and the national security of the United States at risk while doing so. He ignored his duty as the commander in chief by intentionally trying to place an American citizen in jeopardy with a foreign government. He abandoned his obligations to the Constitution by elevating his own interests over the national interest. By comparison, Watergate was a complicated judgment call.

 

In a better time and in a better country, Republicans would now join with Democrats and press for Trump’s impeachment. This won’t happen, of course; even many of Biden’s competitors for the presidency seem to be keeping their distance from this mess, perhaps in the hope that Biden and Trump will engage in a kind of mutually assured political destruction. (Elizabeth Warren, for one, renewed her call for impeachment—but without mentioning Biden.) This is to their shame. The Democratic candidates should now unite around a call for an impeachment investigation, not for Biden’s sake, but to protect the sanctity of our elections from a predatory president who has made it clear he will stop at nothing to stay in the White House.

I am speaking only for myself as an American citizen. I believe in our Constitution, and therefore I must accept that Donald Trump is the president and the commander in chief until the Congress or the people of the United States say otherwise. But if this kind of dangerous, unhinged hijacking of the powers of the presidency is not enough for either the citizens or their elected leaders to demand Trump’s removal, then we no longer have an accountable executive branch, and we might as well just admit that we have chosen to elect a monarch and be done with the illusion of constitutional order in the United States.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/trumps-ukraine-call-clear-impeachable-offense/598570/

 

 

In the eyes of Republicans, nothing is worthy of impeaching Trump. 

But they’d impeach a Democrat for forgetting to floss. 

[01mxz800]

10 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

In the eyes of Republicans, nothing is worthy of impeaching Trump. 

But they’d impeach a Democrat for forgetting to floss. 

In comes conookkayakdumbfuck for the MCsniffles reach around

[Zambroski]

7 minutes ago, 01mxz800 said:

In comes conookkayakdumbfuck for the MCsniffles reach around

They’ll all take any reaching they can get from each other these days.  Their whole building is collapsing on them from all sides and they are panicking while we all stand outside laughing and pointing.

[Matt]

Do you ever see a landmine you don't immediately jump on with both feet?