Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted October 19, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) Liar in the race. Trump's bullsh*t: Why his supporters don't care that he's lying Jeff Hancock is a professor at Stanford University, where he studies deception and technology. The views expressed here are his own (and contain some graphic language). Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are seen as equally trustworthy by the public, and yet Trump makes false statements almost four times as often than Clinton. How is this possible? I study deception and trust and am frequently asked this question, given that fact checkers rate Trump's statements as entirely false 52% of the time compared to Clinton's 12%. There are several possible explanations. One is that we like and trust people who look like we do, an effect known as homophily. This also allows us to discount or ignore things that we might otherwise not. That could explain why so many white men support Trump despite his persistent falsehoods. Related: Why Clinton and Trump need to lie The two candidates also have distinctly different communication styles. Trump speaks in a direct manner, with simple words and sentences, a style that comes across as authentic and trustworthy. Clinton speaks more cautiously, qualifying her statements and using more complex sentences, a style that leads people to believe she is hiding something even when she isn't. But neither of these explanations fully account for why Trump's more frequent lies don't affect his trustworthiness more. One explanation is that this isn't really about lying, but about bullshit. In his book On Bullshit, Harry Frankfurt distinguished between the two by noting that to lie, one has to purposely hide the truth from others. A bullshit artist isn't concerned with the truth, but instead makes things up to suit his purpose. He doesn't care if the things he says describe reality accurately. When the fisherman says that the fish was this big, with his hands wide apart, the actual size of the fish isn't what's important, it's the entertainment of the listeners. The idea that Trump's false statements are bullshit can help explain why his supporters don't care that fact checkers say he's lying. For example, Trump has said that he'll build a wall across America and make Mexico pay. If that's bullshit, Trump doesn't need to care about the feasibility or what the true cost might be -- and neither do his supporters. What's important is the message of stopping illegal immigration. Or when Trump makes false claims about the trade deficit or the unemployment rate, the reality is less important than his supporters' sense that the economy is leaving them behind. When Trump says that crime is up and you'll get shot walking in urban centers, the reality is less important than his message of law and order. Frankfurt emphasizes that people bullshit when they speak about topics that they are not well-versed in or when the facts don't line up with the overall message. Trump has been upfront about his outsider status and his lack of debate prep and knowledge on government policy. The fact that he responds to complex topics with bullshit is perhaps not surprising. This argument maps nicely onto a recent piece in The Atlantic about Trump and his supporters versus the media: The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. But this is not an argument to explain away the seriousness of Trump's false statements. On the contrary. The bullshit artist may or may not know the truth but doesn't care about it either way. As Frankfurt writes, "bullshit is a greater enemy of truth than lies are." At least with a liar, you can present evidence to the contrary. The bullshitter doesn't care about facts. Now, as the debate around Trump's 2005 comments about groping women swirls, this issue is extremely important. If he is perceived as a bullshitter, engaging in harmless "locker room" banter, will the voters forgive his statements? The fact that many of his supporters are still on board seems to support this, but there are limits to how much voters are willing to put up with. Trump's standing in the polls has taken a nosedive. And here's an amazing coincidence. A recent book cataloged all the synonyms for bullshit, and one of the oldest dates back to the 1400s. It originally referred to trickery and scamming, although its meaning has evolved to include general nonsense and insignificance. That word: trumpery. CNNMoney (Palo Alto, California) First published October 17, 2016: 5:22 PM ET http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/17/technology/donald-trump-deception/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_tech_pool Edited October 19, 2016 by SnowRider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 CNN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted October 19, 2016 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Momorider said: CNN Fake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 so after what 300 cut and post u get to sit on sniffers row to watch Hillary 69 Wassermann Schultz ? seriously fucking disturbing any one who actually supports her .but u do not just support but cheerlead for a sleazy manipulating crook . fucking sad and pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 hour ago, SnowRider said: Fake Anything you think you know about me is a lie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Thrillerys plane is named BROOMSTICK ONE, by the Secret service guys. For a reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spin_dry Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 a bullshiter doesn't care about the facts....said perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just now, spin_dry said: a bullshiter doesn't care about the facts....said perfectly. .......and corrupt, lying Hillary Rotten Clinton lives on bullshit mountain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted October 19, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 19, 2016 18 minutes ago, snoughnut said: .......and corrupt, lying Hillary Rotten Clinton lives on bullshit mountain. Oh no....she's not corrupt cause they don't see or recognize any wrong doing and she only lies 11.86% of the time according to someone who said so. Might even be backed up by Snopes but if wiki leaks agrees then it's all false and ignored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Used Car Salesman and on cue SR, Baby Z's panties get slanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 So simple math has Trump lying 4.3 times as much as Hillary yet his brainless followers claim he tells it like it is. lol. How many times has he gone bankrupt? 4.3 times more than her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 9 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: So simple math has Trump lying 4.3 times as much as Hillary yet his brainless followers claim he tells it like it is. lol. How many times has he gone bankrupt? 4.3 times more than her? Simple math Yah that is the ticket you fucking dupe fraud, its subjective BULLFUCKINGSHIT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Momorider said: Simple math Yah that is the ticket you fucking dupe fraud, its subjective BULLFUCKINGSHIT Simpleton!!!!!! Find a site that compares his lies to hers where he comes out as more honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: Simpleton!!!!!! Find a site that compares his lies to hers where he comes out as more honest. The Fix is in its manipulated propaganda idiot no minds like you eat up Edited October 19, 2016 by Momorider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Thrillery is the most dishonest corrupt person that has ever run for a political position EVER PERIOD end of fucking story 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: Simpleton!!!!!! Find a site that compares his lies to hers where he comes out as more honest. So you are admitting hillarys a liar...baby steps....next is admitting how corrupt she is.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 17 minutes ago, Dave said: So you are admitting hillarys a liar...baby steps....next is admitting how corrupt she is.... They never quite make it to that second step. They also forget that her lies were in direct conflict and a complete breach of oaths and ethics in her positions in government. But...nothing to see there. There's a damn good reason I have what I have as my signature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 16 hours ago, Zambroski said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01mxz800 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 poor snowloser 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 hrc and dt put together don't lie as much as momo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just now, 1jkw said: hrc and dt put together don't lie as much as momo. from dupe Faggot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 31 minutes ago, 1jkw said: hrc and dt put together don't lie as much as momo. Maybe he is here to show that there are worse people in the world than dump and Hillary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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