SSFB Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Somebody had to say it. Quote Glenn Greenwald called out journalists and columnists pushing for a war with Iran and lamented that people who have been continually wrong are often hailed as the voice of authority and reason in an interview with FNC's Tucker Carlson on Friday. Greenwald specifically took aim at Jeffrey Goldberg of 'The Atlantic' who he said got a promotion for being wrong about the war in Iraq. "Jeffrey Goldberg's articles won a national magazine award for creating a grotesque conspiracy that resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of people," Greenwald said. "Not only should he not be in journalism, he should be out of decent society," he continued. "And yet, when it came time to compete for whether he was going to stay at "The New Yorker" or go to "The Atlantic," the owner of "The Atlantic" gave him and his children, rare exotic horses to lure him away from "The New Yorker," and he now runs one of the most important magazines in the world." "You turn on MSNBC, there's Bill Kristol. You open up 'The New York Times,' there's Brett Stevens, Marc Thiessen in 'The Washington Post' and they're all embedded in Washington culture, the think tanks especially, and they only become important and enlivened when the U.S. is at war. They get all kinds of psychological, economic and political benefits from it at everybody else's expense," Greenwald said. TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: Glenn Greenwald cofounded "The Intercept." He joins us tonight. So Glenn, the reaction to the President not going to war last night has been really striking, very little celebration about it in certain quarters, outright attacks. You saw -- we just played tape of CNN's National Security analyst attacking the President for it. Liz Cheney, Congresswoman from Wyoming attacked the President. Others did, too. What about Washington makes war the first resort for both parties every time? GLENN GREENWALD, COFOUNDER, THE INTERCEPT: Well, first of all, there's an obvious answer, which is it is exciting, so it drives media ratings, it makes people buy newspapers. Adam Smith, in "The Wealth of Nations" in 1776, wrote about how when a country becomes an empire, the people in the capital never get any risk for more. So Liz Cheney and Bill Kristol and David Frum and the people who cheer war are never put at risk, but they get excitement and purpose from it. They get kind of a feeling of power. Ben Shapiro on Twitter today said, "Let's show Iran that we can match them." That's something that people say when they go through life feeling inadequate, and without any kind of purpose or strength, so it gives people strength. And then there's also this much deeper issue that after the Iraq War, almost nobody other than Judy Miller, the single scapegoat, there was no accountability for the people who lied to the country into the war. So you look at someone like Jeffrey Goldberg, who for "The New Yorker" was writing award-winning articles, claiming that Saddam Hussein was in an alliance with Al Qaeda making people believe that Iraq did 9/11, is he out of journalism because of that? No, he has been promoted. He's the editor- in-chief of "The Atlantic." You turn on MSNBC, there's Bill Kristol. You open up "The New York Times," there's Brett Stevens, Marc Thiessen in "The Washington Post" and they're all embedded in Washington culture, the think tanks especially, and they only become important and enlivened when the U.S. is at war. They get all kinds of psychological, economic and political benefits from it at everybody else's expense. CARLSON: If you claim that there was a direct connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda, 9/11 and Saddam, it is clearly untrue. How in the world could you stay in journalism? I mean, do you know -- how could Jeff Goldberg go on to run one of the most famous magazines in English? GREENWALD: The amazing thing is, Tucker, the more you promote war, even if you get it wrong, the more you're going to prosper. That is the sickness, the pathology of the DC media and political class. Jeffrey Goldberg's articles won a national magazine award for creating a grotesque conspiracy that resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of people. Not only should he not be in journalism, he should be out of decent society. And yet, when it came time to compete for whether he was going to stay at "The New Yorker" or go to "The Atlantic," the owner of "The Atlantic" gave him and his children, rare exotic horses to lure him away from "The New Yorker," and he now runs one of the most important magazines in the world. You see that all throughout the media, the same people who not just lied about Iraq, but who cheered all kinds of wars in Muslim countries, prosper from it, they get promoted, they continually get treated as the voices of authority and that's why this continuously goes on. CARLSON: It is so mind bogglingly corrupt, it's hard to believe it happens in our city and in our business. Glenn Greenwald, thank you very much for that perspective. I appreciate it. GREENWALD: Thanks, Tucker. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/22/glenn_greenwald_people_who_feel_inadequate_in_life_get_purpose_and_strength_by_calling_for_war.html?fbclid=IwAR3S_YyDfwXsExbfkpkzO-AbfpDZQLYjmNW8jRHMHnx-Au7FFC1pTIPJQ3o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted June 23, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2019 Good read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Glen has more brains in his fingertip than our entire CE neocon collective and our esteemed POTUS combined 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Super happy Trump changed his mind. Anyone who isn’t is a shit for brains retard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 7 hours ago, jtssrx said: Super happy Trump changed his mind. Anyone who isn’t is a shit for brains retard And they dump more strangling sanctions on them and keep the rhetoric as hot as ever. You can only kick a starving dog so many times before it bites you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 As if we needed more evidence our media is fucked. We should put these warmongers on the front line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted June 23, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: And they dump more strangling sanctions on them and keep the rhetoric as hot as ever. You can only kick a starving dog so many times before it bites you. The dude is incapable of making 2 decent decisions in a row. All sanctions do is unite the population that if left alone would overthrow their own fucking gvmt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted June 23, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: And they dump more strangling sanctions on them and keep the rhetoric as hot as ever. You can only kick a starving dog so many times before it bites you. I posted an article in another thread that called Trump the arsonist and the fireman regarding Iran....heat the situation up to the point they shoot down a drone and then call off a retaliatory attack in heroic fashion...it’s pathological. Edited June 23, 2019 by Jimmy Snacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, steve from amherst said: The dude is incapable of making 2 decent decisions in a row. All sanctions do is unite the population that if left alone would overthrow their own fucking gvmt. It's how you radicalize a starving population and keep them on the outside so you have a boogeyman to justify your imperialism. Trump has been such a massive disappointment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I don’t think Trump was even close to attacking Iran. The idiot goes public with it for one reason only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I posted an article in another thread that called Trump the arsonist and the fireman regarding Iran....heat the situation up to the point they shoot down a drone and then call off a retaliatory attack in heroic fashion...it’s pathological. Probably the best song ever. Maynard called it before the orange retard was even elected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted June 23, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, f7ben said: Probably the best song ever. Maynard called it before the orange retard was even elected Ha...great song and very appropo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I posted an article in another thread that called Trump the arsonist and the fireman regarding Iran....heat the situation up to the point they shoot down a drone and then call off a retaliatory attack in heroic fashion...it’s pathological. He does this with every issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Tucker lambasted Bolton and Pompeo pretty good the other night. I think calling back this strike was an interesting move. Show lenience and turn the other cheek at first. Now, if they do something retarded again, it’s easy to strike will larger acceptance. Iran is outclassed here. Another Muslim nation full of rogue retard operators. DC always wants non-winning war they line their pockets for years at the cost of lives that never come close to touching their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted June 23, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2019 If Trump was serious about A) Not wanting war with Iran and B) Draining the swamp he would shitcan Bolton and Pompeo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Iran is just like every other country that has an "evil dictator" or a "radical regime". They have a shitload of assets in the ground that isn't owned by us, Israeli or Saudi interests. We spend OUR money, use OUR military resources to starve and overthrow those govts so we can give those assets to private entities. And the 73er population cheers "yeah! Let's go get em and give that money to the joos and Saudis!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted June 23, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Tucker lambasted Bolton and Pompeo pretty good the other night. I think calling back this strike was an interesting move. Show lenience and turn the other cheek at first. Now, if they do something retarded again, it’s easy to strike will larger acceptance. Iran is outclassed here. Another Muslim nation full of rogue retard operators. DC always wants non-winning war they line their pockets for years at the cost of lives that never come close to touching their own. Who is this , and what did you do with zambo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, steve from amherst said: Who is this , and what did you do with zambo? What do you mean? Nothing has changed with my philosophy. Nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted June 23, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, Anler said: Iran is just like every other country that has an "evil dictator" or a "radical regime". They have a shitload of assets in the ground that isn't owned by us, Israeli or Saudi interests. We spend OUR money, use OUR military resources to starve and overthrow those govts so we can give those assets to private entities. And the 73er population cheers "yeah! Let's go get em and give that money to the joos and Saudis!" Have to fight 'em there so we don't have to fight 'em here not to mention NASCAR and The NFL won't be around if we don't!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted June 23, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, Zambroski said: What do you mean? Nothing has changed with my philosophy. Nothing. You don't display this side much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: You don't display this side much. Who here has been calling for war with Iran, no one that I can see? What do we do with Iran, just leave them be, let them continue to fund terrorists like Hezbollah, and build up a nuke? Serious questions. Some guys here care more about pointing fingers, ascribing positions, and just insulting people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 These are strange times. A president going against the war machine. Trump could have a heart attack any moment. Pence will invade Iran before he is sworn in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, DriftBusta said: Who here has been calling for war with Iran, no one that I can see? What do we do with Iran, just leave them be, let them continue to fund terrorists like Hezbollah, and build up a nuke? Serious questions. Some guys here care more about pointing fingers, ascribing positions, and just insulting people. Yes we leave them be. Is that so hard to mind our own business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: You don't display this side much. It seems that way because I enjoy laughing at the stupid site hippies who have no idea about strategic foreign policy and live in a world where they view things through their tiny little emotional viewfinders. They sound like complete imbeciles most of the time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Who here has been calling for war with Iran, no one that I can see? What do we do with Iran, just leave them be, let them continue to fund terrorists like Hezbollah, and build up a nuke? Serious questions. Some guys here care more about pointing fingers, ascribing positions, and just insulting people. You ain't right boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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