Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 17, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Because the driver size does have an effect on drive ratio. That's obvious. but dosnt explain your theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, steve from amherst said: That's obvious. but dosnt explain your theory. I have already explained it, linear vs rotational motion. Total diameter only matters when it's rotational motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 17, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, motonoggin said: No, it won't be correct, but that's because it's rotational motion, not linear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 And it's not a 'theory'. This is basic physics. Calling it a theory is like saying the statement 'water is wet' is a theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, steve from amherst said: That's all fine, but a track isn't a wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: how so WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 If we're talking overall track diameter, a longer track vs a taller lug would effect final drive, but it doesn't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 17, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: That's all fine, but a track isn't a wheel. True, keep slaining. This is interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 17, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: If we're talking overall track diameter, a longer track vs a taller lug would effect final drive, but it doesn't... So why dosnt a taller lug change the diameter of a track? Not looking for anargument , just learning here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, steve from amherst said: So why dosnt a taller lug change the diameter of a track? Not looking for anargument , just learning here. It does change the diameter just like a longer track, but since the track isn't moving rotationally at the point of ground contact, it doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: It does change the diameter just like a longer track, but since the track isn't moving rotationally at the point of ground contact, it doesn't matter. Will you take the bet before I croak from old age???? TAKE THE FUKKEN BET!!! TAKE IT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Polaris 550 said: Will you take the bet before I croak from old age???? TAKE THE FUKKEN BET!!! TAKE IT!!! Wut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Wut You're sayin' that lug height does not affect FDR under our hypothetical situation, right?? Then take the bet!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 All other factors being constant, does lug height affect the FINAL DRIVE RATIO on a snowmobile, on a hypothetical, flat hard plane??? In other words, will a snowmobile travel further with one rotation of the track with 3" lugs, as compared to that same snowmobile with 1" lugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 17, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Polaris 550 said: All other factors being constant, does lug height affect the FINAL DRIVE RATIO on a snowmobile, on a hypothetical, flat hard plane??? In other words, will a snowmobile travel further with one rotation of the track with 3" lugs, as compared to that same snowmobile with 1" lugs. Does a 151" track with 1" lugs have a taller FDR than a 121" track with 1" lugs? Answer NO. Track circumference does not change FDR. Fuck this is not that hard to comprehend. Edited December 17, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Does a 151" track with 1" lugs have a taller FDR than a 121" track with 1" lugs? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Out of 1056 people on this site, is there no one who can stand up to my power and authority???? ANYBODY??? SOMEBODY!!! NOBODY!!! If someone doesn't give me the name of a fukken lawyer that I can call to send my fukken check, by the end of the week, I will have no choice but to declare, dominant victory by overwhelming power and authority! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot said: Yes Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 17, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot said: Yes No it doesn't. It takes more revolutions of the drive sprocket to complete one revolution of the longer track. A snowmobile drive system is a gear system not a wheel system. Edited December 17, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Does a 151" track with 1" lugs have a taller FDR than a 121" track with 1" lugs? Answer NO. Track circumference does not change FDR. Fuck this is not that hard to comprehend. You fukken fucktahd!! You're not following the hypothesis!! You fukken tahd!! It's a 121" sled with 1" or 3" lugs, nothing else!!! Why did you mention a 151 as compared to a 121!!! TAKE THE FUKKEN BET, OR STFU!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 I took the bet dumbfuck. The question has been agreed on. Let's pic and engineering firm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: No it doesn't. It takes more revolutions of the drive sprocket to complete one revolution of the longer track. A snowmobile drive system is a gear system not a wheel system. Right. So, you need more revolutions to turn a longer track one rotation. Therefore changing the drive to rotation ratio... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot said: Right. So, you need more revolutions to turn a longer track one rotation. Therefore changing the drive to rotation ratio... No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Polaris 550 said: All other factors being constant, does lug height affect the FINAL DRIVE RATIO on a snowmobile, on a hypothetical, flat hard plane??? In other words, will a snowmobile travel further with one rotation of the track with 3" lugs, as compared to that same snowmobile with 1" lugs. This was not the question in the OP. He didn't ask about one full rotation of the track. He asked about one full rotation of the input. @motonoggin is correct. Lug height is not what's important. The track is being laid down and the bogies are rolling across it and slides are sliding across it. Regardless of lug height, if the track driver pitch is exactly the same on a 1" lug or a 3" lug, the suspension will only roll one driver rotation-worth of track LENGTH. Assuming no lug flex is present. Put another way, if the circumference of the driver is 20 inches and there's a 4:1 reduction in the chaincase, one rotation of the jackshaft will result in 5 inches worth of track being laid down, regardless of the lug height. Edited December 17, 2018 by Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 17, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Polaris 550 said: You fukken fucktahd!! You're not following the hypothesis!! You fukken tahd!! It's a 121" sled with 1" or 3" lugs, nothing else!!! Why did you mention a 151 as compared to a 121!!! TAKE THE FUKKEN BET, OR STFU!!! Hey moron what does going from the 1" lug to the 3" lug do? Increases circumference. So does a longer track at the same lug height. Anyone who can watch this video and not clearly see the thickness or length of the conveyor does not make the object traveling on it go faster is obtuse or a fucking retard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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