Given all else being equal and taking into account no other variable, will increasing the length/depth of the lugs or cleats on a tracked vehicle such as a snowmobile cause a definable change in the vehicles final drive ratio. For the purpose of this question final drive ratio is to be defined as the distance the vehicle moves with one full rotation of the drive system input and not accounting for any variation in the drivetrain such as CVT etc. 

 

I am open to suggestions but I think the above about covers it.

6 minutes ago, f7ben said:

No....that's fucking dumb. I dont wanna pay some lawyer. It's not needed

This is just my checking account. My Fidelity won't fit on this page. Now STFU!!!

Znutty for the win!!!!111

3 minutes ago, f7ben said:

Znutty for the win!!!!111

 WTF does that mean!!! Does that mean the bet is off??????????????????????   

Just now, Polaris 550 said:

 WTF does that mean!!! Does that mean the bet is off??????????????????????   

No...it means you have a nice balance in your checkbook....good for you 

 

Then lets get this motherfucker rolling! The thought of one of you two losing 20 large makes my prick hard.

Edited December 17, 20187 yr by steve from amherst

All that dough and can't buy a decent camera, wtf!!!

Neal

1 minute ago, f7ben said:

No...it means you have a nice balance in your checkbook....good for you 

 

It's gonna' have another 20Gs added before too long!!! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Benny's gonna' be workin' third-shift for the next two years to pay this bet off!!!! 

3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

All that dough and can't buy a decent camera, wtf!!!

Neal

Or a CM

1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

All that dough and can't buy a decent camera, wtf!!!

Neal

STFU, NEAL THE HEEL!!!  My camera takes good pics, I was too close, so you fukkers wouldn't see my account number and steal my identity. I don't trust some of the fukkers around here.

800 DRAGON would rat me out in a heart-beat. He would try to steal my money too.  

1 minute ago, 01mxz800 said:

Or a CM

WTF is a CM? 

OH, wait a minute I figured it out. Get bent, go pay your rent. 

Contributing membership

2 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

They will, for all practical measurements move the same. 

Your inability to not comprehend isn't my fault.  I have provided my position and with supporting argument.  I apologise if my inability to explain the position is unable to convince you.  That however doesn't change my position, nor the validity it has.

As I see it you can either try to engage in a meaningful discourse about it, or keep with the constant disregarding out of hand, wether out of spite, personal dislike, or unwillingness to understand.  I certainly prefer conversations of the former, especially for members I have met and hold great respect for.

Neal

I certainly have great respect for you as well Neal.  This issue is about proving your side of the argument not about me comprehending your formula.  I don't claim for a second to comprehend your formula.  I disregard your formula because you refuse to quantify it.  If lug height made a difference it would be measurable.  It's my opinion that the difference isn't measurable.   If your formula worked you would plug in the only two variables, 3" and 1", and come up with a distance. 

It's not up to me to prove your side of the argument, it's up to you.   

Neal got Khashoggiid

1 hour ago, AKIQPilot said:

I certainly have great respect for you as well Neal.  This issue is about proving your side of the argument not about me comprehending your formula.  I don't claim for a second to comprehend your formula.  I disregard your formula because you refuse to quantify it.  If lug height made a difference it would be measurable.  It's my opinion that the difference isn't measurable.   If your formula worked you would plug in the only two variables, 3" and 1", and come up with a distance. 

It's not up to me to prove your side of the argument, it's up to you.   

If you think that's how the formula works you don't understand it's basic premise.  You keep thinking that it will change the distance traveled.  It does not.  I have stated that every time, yet you continue down that path.  You seem unable to let that go.  I can't help you do that.  

Neal

Just now, NaturallyAspirated said:

If you think that's how the formula works you don't understand it's basic premise.  You keep thinking that it will change the distance traveled.  It does not.  I have stated that every time, yet you continue down that path.  You seem unable to let that go.  I can't help you do that.  

Neal

Distance traveled is the only relevant outcome of the input gear being rotated.

Just now, NaturallyAspirated said:

If you think that's how the formula works you don't understand it's basic premise.  You keep thinking that it will change the distance traveled.  It does not.  I have stated that every time, yet you continue down that path.  You seem unable to let that go.  I can't help you do that.  

Neal

But that is the question at hand. You are just muddying the waters with your bet hedging and fence riding.

1 minute ago, f7ben said:

Distance traveled is the only relevant outcome of the input gear being rotated.

Perhaps that's the hangup Tom has on understanding the formula.  

Neal

Just now, NaturallyAspirated said:

Perhaps that's the hangup Tom has on understanding the formula.  

Neal

I would think so

A ratio is just that. X turns of input results in x turns of output

If all your quantum variables dont impact the distance traveled then they havent changed the ratio

1 minute ago, motonoggin said:

But that is the question at hand. You are just muddying the waters with your bet hedging and fence riding.

No.  I have granted the lug makes no discernable real world impact.  It's a thought problem.

This is precisely why I said that z and viper were incorrect in their thinking.

Neal

Just now, f7ben said:

A ratio is just that. X turns of input results in x turns of output

If all your quantum variables dont impact the distance traveled then they havent changed the ratio

You have already admitted that the lug height results in minute changes.  Where do you suggest those changes and forces go? 

Neal

Just now, NaturallyAspirated said:

You have already admitted that the lug height results in minute changes.  Where do you suggest those changes and forces go? 

Neal

Minute self canceling oscilations

Just now, f7ben said:

Minute self canceling oscilations

Sure, I concur, and one can measure at a peak and trough of the oscillations.  How is the difference accounted for?

Neal

2 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

Sure, I concur, and one can measure at a peak and trough of the oscillations.  How is the difference accounted for?

Neal

I dont think one can measure and account for them. No vehicle for that measurment exists in the real world.....also they are not cumulative so no change could be calculated or realized practically 

Edited December 18, 20187 yr by f7ben